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re: DOJ Again Refuses to Give Judge Boasberg Sensitive Information on National Security
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:How do you define a terrorist?
They aren't terrorists
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
You're hung up on the terrorist label, but The government's position is the Venezuelan government sent them to the country as part of either an invasion or predatory incursion. Congress delegated the executive with the exclusive decision-making on this point and as it bears on foreign relations, the president's article II power is at its apex.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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Who has issues with that description of the admin's stances?
I mean I do. It's pretty clear in that you need to be in wartime or an invasion from a nation/government. We are not at war with Venezuela, and they arent invading us...The only times this act has been used is during wartime. Using this moment to try and say youre using the act would be a loose interpretation of the act itself. Which matters because the 14th amendment gives all persons right to due process
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:37 am to GamecockUltimate
Only if you don't give the word "or" it's plain and ordinary meaning and if you ignore that the president can proclaim such without regard to a declaration of war which is constitutionally separate.
But sure, if you ignore all that, you're analysis is spot on.
But sure, if you ignore all that, you're analysis is spot on.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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They aren't terrorists
Did Tren de Aragua appeal their label as an FTO before February 20th?
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:38 am
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:38 am to therick711
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but The government's position is the Venezuelan government sent them to the country as part of either an invasion or predatory incursion.
and that would be the information that would be necessary to give to the judge. They have security clearance and it could have been done in private.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:40 am to GamecockUltimate
No it isn't. Read the alien and sedition act. The president must proclaim it, which was done. The judicial branch does not have authority to reach behind that decision. It's non justiciable and always has been the case.
It's also not the information being sought. He wants information on flights.
When posters post their views on what was done but don't actually have familiarity with the text, it's just a preferred policy preference divorced from the statute.
It's also not the information being sought. He wants information on flights.
When posters post their views on what was done but don't actually have familiarity with the text, it's just a preferred policy preference divorced from the statute.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:41 am to therick711
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The government's position is the Venezuelan government sent them to the country as part of either an invasion or predatory incursion
My hang up is they also argue that courts have no role in determining the validity of this stance, and courts are prohibited from viewing any potential evidence to make this decision due to "national security"
That is aggressive in the worst, authoritarian way
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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They aren't terrorists and the facts don't support invocation of the AEA.
They don’t have to be terrorists to be threats to national security.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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My hang up is they also argue that courts have no role in determining the validity of this stance, and courts are prohibited from viewing any potential evidence to make this decision due to "national security"
Take it up with congress. As they say, better luck next constitution. Congress clearly has the ability to restrict the jurisdiction of the courts (Article III, Section 2, Clause 2) which it did by granting the president the power to proclaim.
The emotional aggressive retort is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:45 am to therick711
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emotional
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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That is aggressive in the worst, authoritarian way
Where were you when millions were being flown in and dispersed around the country?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Your incessant repetitive posting is more indicative of emotion than anything anyone says.
You CANNOT walk away from a thread without having the last word.
That is because you are more emotionally invested than any other poster on this site.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why? They can be terrible, evil people and violent criminals without being terrorists. Don't you agree?
No. Terrible, evil, violant people terrorize therefore they are terrorists.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:49 am to SDVTiger
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Good ignore all of them then Pardon the entire cabinet
Yes, this now has to be done.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:57 am to deathvalleytiger10
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Where were you when millions were being flown in and dispersed around the country?
Here
I was openly against it. Your point?
That has no logical connection to this situation
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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quote:
Take it up with congress. As they say, better luck next constitution. Congress clearly has the ability to restrict the jurisdiction of the courts (Article III, Section 2, Clause 2) which it did by granting the president the power to proclaim.
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emotional
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:00 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
SFP and ProggyHank arent going to like this one bit!
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:00 am to ProjectP2294
Boasberg is delusional. She has no concept of her place in the world….
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
How would you define a terrorist organization?
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