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re: DOJ Again Refuses to Give Judge Boasberg Sensitive Information on National Security
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If that's ultimately the ruling, then the judicial branch is no longer equal to the Executive,
How would it be it be possible for a judge to decide whether a person or group is labeled as terrorist or not?
Just envisioning the hearing is ridiculous. It’s a subjective classification. One based on politics, global strategy, national security, classified intelligence and even opinion.
It’s not something that can be determined by a judge like a criminal case.
Like it or not, some powers are granted to the executive branch.
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:18 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
For now the questions to be answered are:
LINK
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1) whether any flight with individuals subject to the Proclamation took off after either the Court’s written or oral Orders were issued;
2) whether any flight with individuals subject to the Proclamation landed after either the Court’s written or oral Orders were issued;
3) whether any flight with individuals subject to the Proclamation was still in the air after either the Court’s written or oral Orders were issued; and
4) whether custody of any individuals subject to the Proclamation was transferred to a foreign country after either the Court’s written or oral Orders were issued.”
LINK
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:21 pm to SammyTiger
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meaning there needs to be an invasions and a declaration. 2 separate things. the Declaration doesn’t make it an invasion.
The declaration is what makes it so.
If the Executive Branch says there was an invasion, how can a judge say there wasn’t?
They have declared these groups as terrorists for this exact reason. This was calculated.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:21 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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How would it be it be possible for a judge to decide whether a person or group is labeled as terrorist or not?
Look at statutory authority to do so
Analyze the acts within the authority
Determine if the acts are correctly within the statutory authority
It's the same analysis every time for these conflicts. Just like how the courts determined Biden's admin acted outside their statutory authority (CARES Act) when trying to forgive student loans, or how Biden's admin acted outside their statutory authority in enacting the vax mandate (via the DOL via OSHA).
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It’s a subjective classification. One based on politics, global strategy, national security, classified intelligence and even opinion.
It's still a limited determination.
Say a President determines the Democratic party is a terrorist organization and jails their members in Congress before an important vote. You think our system is built to say "oh shucks, we didn't think of that. Oopsie. Wish we had a system of review" ?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:22 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If the Executive Branch says there was an invasion, how can a judge say there wasn’t?
Look at statutory authority to do so
Analyze the acts within the authority
Determine if the acts are correctly within the statutory authority
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trump ignoring a court order will be the top news story of ever major outlet as soon as it happens. It may even be breaking news on networks.
Less than 5 percent of the population watches TV news.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:34 pm to VoxDawg
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Soros is bankrolling their defense
Using our tax dollars laundered through various NGO’s he set up. Elon has proved that evil POS wasn’t even using his own money, he’s been using OUR money to stir all this unrest.
I hated that MF before, turns out, I didn’t hate him enough.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Say a President determines the Democratic party is a terrorist organization
Shitty analogy is shitty.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:36 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Shitty analogy is shitty.
It's only shitty because you don't want to answer.
Your premise is this determination cannot be reviewed. I'm pointing out how that premise is absurd.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Look at statutory authority to do so
Analyze the acts within the authority
Determine if the acts are correctly within the statutory authority
Sure, they can verify the president has the right, but they can’t wade into the argument of whether the person or group are in fact “invaders”
It’s too subjective.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ok, play it out:
Executive branch: This group from X country are terrorists and have infiltrated the United States. We have classified information that tells us so. Also labeling them as such is a benefit to our national security because it puts political pressure on the president of X country, where we are seeking regime change.
Judge: They are not terrorists or invaders because……..?
What?
Executive branch: This group from X country are terrorists and have infiltrated the United States. We have classified information that tells us so. Also labeling them as such is a benefit to our national security because it puts political pressure on the president of X country, where we are seeking regime change.
Judge: They are not terrorists or invaders because……..?
What?
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:46 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Even if you ignore the crimes they committed, they entered the country illegally. They are not afforded anything other than deportation. The fact that they are hyper-violent just seems to endear them to the leftists and “lawyers”.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Say a President determines the Democratic party is a terrorist organization and jails their members in Congress before an important vote. You think our system is built to say "oh shucks, we didn't think of that. Oopsie. Wish we had a system of review" ?
Lulz, the lack of perspective on this guy
Say a President determines his challenger from the Repub party is a terrorist and jails him prior to an important election?
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Biden argues Trump remains a threat to democracy
Biden says Trump should be locked up 'politically'
Biden admits Trump 'bullseye' comments a mistake
Now explain how that prez can use his declaration to deport US citizen Democrats to another country. Which is the entire point of Trumps current removal of Foreign Invaders (aka Alien Enemies)
Cuz da judge aint ruling on a declaration from a month ago, about them being terrorists. Its solely about kicking them out using the 1798 Act
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:06 pm to BugAC
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If that's ultimately the ruling, then the judicial branch is no longer equal to the Executive, which is a scary thought when the DEMs take over the Executive next time.
I guess to fogot that Biden ignored judiical rulings he didn't like.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Imagine siting on a jury and being told by the prosecution that there would be no evidence presented of any crimes being committed, but that you should simply take the prosecutors' word that the suspect seems like a bad guy. Any reasonable juror would vote to acquit—if the judge didn't laugh the prosecutors out of court first.
Reason (ironically named I might add) is trash and this statement is retarded.
This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 12:57 am
Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's only shitty because you don't want to answer.
It's shitty because it's shitty.
And yes if a member of congress was an illegal or on a visa and pulled some terrorist shite the president can revoke their visa deport them and suffer the political ramifications if it were improper.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 2:01 am to SDVTiger
Boom. Biden set the precedence.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 2:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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Say a President determines the Democratic party is a terrorist organization
Like the Biden DOJ did with MAGA people?
Remember when biden said maga supporters were terrorists?
Posted on 3/20/25 at 2:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think TDA should be ablet o be labeled a terrorist organization
Why not? The actions of their members certainly fit in that category
This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 3:14 am
Posted on 3/20/25 at 3:42 am to Ponchy Tiger
Trump shouldn't give the judge nothing. Not even the sweat off his cojones.
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