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re: Doesn't it strike you as awfully coincidental? (Science vs Religious Belief)
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:16 am to BugAC
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:16 am to BugAC
You say this in one thread
And this in this thread

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I gave my opinions, without insult towards others beliefs.
And this in this thread
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You truly are an intellectual midget. The only excuse you can have, is that you are 5 years old.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:17 am to wilfont
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We're talking about people making personal belief decisions based upon their own life experiences, education and, in some cases, religious understanding. You seem to believe they can't utilize their full spectrum of knowledge when making decisions.
No, Im just acknowledging the extremely "coincidental" nature of the areas of science the religious just happen to sometimes disbelieve. E.g. the tiny fraction of science that runs counter to religious bias.
frick man, I don't even know why the religious don't all do that the catholic church is doing. Evolution could be directed by God. Science makes no statement about that. Its the literalists that take the man was always man stance.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:18 am to Boom Angry
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And I'm pretty sure Einstein was agnostic.
I think Einstein allowed people to call him agnostic simply to avoid debate.
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Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."[18]
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:18 am to Vegas Bengal
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Vegas Bengal
Is it not the truth, that when a person's 1st inclination is to insult someone, they are an intellectual midget. Meaning they are intellectually small minded? I said that as a matter of fact, not as a means of insulting.
But if someone calls you stupid simply for believing something different, is that not the acts of a child?
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:18 am to Revelator
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You seem to imply that science and religion are incompatible And I'm telling you that at one time, scientists were almost exclusively believers.
Even now, a healthy portion of scientists are believers.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:19 am to Powerman
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Science and Religion are coming together,
A good example of this is abortion. The first century Didache (catechism of the apostles)new life began at conception. Was this faith or common sense? Well it seems that it took science until the 20th century to finally come around to catch up to religion.
But regardless of what discipline, science or theology, comes to the truth both should be open to truth based on new revelation(s).
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:21 am to Boom Angry
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And I'm pretty sure Einstein was agnostic.
Difficult to imagine a true agnostic saying these things:
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I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
When the solution is simple, God is answering.
God does not play dice with the universe.
God is subtle but he is not malicious.
The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life.
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.
The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
True religion is real living; living with all one’s soul, with all one’s goodness and righteousness.
Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in the social life of man.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:21 am to Ace Midnight
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It is hubris to think that human beings can "warm up" the Earth's atmosphere. It's laughable when you say it out loud.
Aaaaaaaaand there we go.
Blow up a few thousand nukes around the globe and see if we can't severely affect the earths temp.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:22 am to AUbused
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Blow up a few thousand nukes around the globe and see if we can't severely affect the earths environment.
Aaaaaaaaand there we go.
The straw man has made an early appearance today.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:22 am to AUbused
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No, Im just acknowledging the extremely "coincidental" nature of the areas of science the religious just happen to sometimes disbelieve. E.g. the tiny fraction of science that runs counter to religious bias.
Yes, but what you're calling 'coincidental" others may call "reasoned" based on accumulated understanding and beliefs.
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Evolution could be directed by God.
Just happens to be my personal belief on the matter.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:25 am to wilfont
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Yes, but what you're calling 'coincidental" others may call "reasoned" based on accumulated understanding and beliefs.
I fully acknowledge that in some cases this could be true.......but given the numbers (e.g. 57% of republicans reject evolution)....I believe that to be the exception. I do not believe it to be a coincidence.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:25 am to BugAC
quote:then by your own definition, you must be a child.
Is it not the truth, that when a person's 1st inclination is to insult someone, they are an intellectual midget. Meaning they are intellectually small minded? I said that as a matter of fact, not as a means of insulting. But if someone calls you stupid simply for believing something different, is that not the acts of a child?
Powerman's opinion is that anyone who doesn't believe in Evolution is stupid. A better way he could have said this is they're ignorant, which is true. There simply is no reason today to continue believing in Adam and Eve. The Catholic Church teaches evolution. The Pope believes in evolution. God inspired but evolution. And as he said, it's not debatable. It's like, as Powerman says, flat earthers = creationists.
Spend less time on TD and read a book other than the bible.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:25 am to Meauxjeaux
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1- pretty much all we know in science today will be proven false, much like the flat earth theories
2- the more science evolves, the more it confirms the Bible
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:26 am to AUbused
quote:No.
What Im saying is that might as well be a straight up admission that their conclusions are not rational, but instead emotional. How could it not be with those kind of numbers? It is no coincidence.
What you are saying is jibberish.
e.g., Warmist science. Warmist science has nothing to do with "running contrary to religion". It has to do with the science itself, or lack thereof.
Even in the case of evolution, sophists will claim the "science is settled." It isn't. The theory with respect to humans certainly seems accurate and explicative to me, but despite classroom teaching to the contrary, it is not yet complete. I believe it to be sound, and in some form irrefutable. But as with any theory, questions should be invited, not rejected.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:26 am to Ace Midnight
quote:you need to look up the definition of a strawman argument.
The straw man has made an early appearance today.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:28 am to NC_Tigah
quote:there's a difference between questioning and denying.
as with any theory, questions should be invited, not rejected.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:28 am to wilfont
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Albert was sorta smart.
He was.
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It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:28 am to Vegas Bengal
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A better way he could have said this is they're ignorant,
I would agree. But that is also an opinion, but saying that in his opinion, they are ignorant, would not be an insult. That's all i'm saying.
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The Catholic Church teaches evolution. The Pope believes in evolution. God inspired but evolution. And as he said, it's not debatable. It's like, as Powerman says, flat earthers = creationists.
Who here denies evolution? Why must evolution or "science" and religion exclusive from each other?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:29 am to Vegas Bengal
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you need to look up the definition of a strawman argument.
No I don't.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:29 am to Vegas Bengal
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you need to look up the definition of a strawman argument.
True, his fallacy was more of a reductio ad absurdum
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