re: Doesn't it strike you as awfully coincidental? (Science vs Religious Belief)

I'll ask again. What are his credentials?

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I'm not an expert on the "climate gate" emails. You and TaxingAuthority. I'm sure whatever you said some blog said about them must be true.

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So you're hiding behind your own ignorance? You can read the emails directly. No one disputes they are genuine. Blogs have nothing to do with it.

I am enjoying your thought process but will try to make you understand my point here. Timing is everything in my discussion here. The point is at time zero.

When I was a biochemistry major at LSU I learned all these great facts and laws in science. Although challenging, I enjoyed physical chemistry and the thought process. What you are referencing to stops at this level.

When my studies turned to medical school, I soon realized how much we understand and more importantly what we don't understand. You reference of stars and energy and a blade of grass is after the fact and is a given. However, at point zero in time there had to be an overseeing force to create what you see today.

To compare a blade of grass to the complexities our understanding of neurochemicals that are released when a mom looses a child or the development of a child's hand is silly.

You don't know what you don't know. It's very simple and I accept that we don't have all the answers at this time. Those that tout science only simply are trying to fit everything into what they can see. In my opinion it is both foolish and naive to stop here.

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I'll ask again. What are his credentials?

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He has a PHD in physics

Not exactly what I would consider your average Joe posting on a message board.

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I don't really see how you can claim to have never heard of Soon & Baliunas

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Huh? Where did I say that?

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You are actually claiming that Jones and others criticisms of the journal for publishing that paper were unfounded - not only without having read a single word of the paper, but without even knowing the names of the authors who published the paper!

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Where did make that claim?

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He has a PHD in physics

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Well, I'm currently pursuing mine so I will give him the edge. However, do you know him IRL? Just curious.

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So could you. Yet you failed to even take note of the authors of the controversial paper that Jones was threatening to boycott over.

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You should read beyond the "famous" emails.

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At the time, Climate Research (the journal in question in case you didn't get that, either), allowed editor shopping. Climate Research itself actually agreed its process was flawed.

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Right. That was a process that was in place for a long time. And not uncommon across many publications. To think this was he only paper that was not subjected to proper review is horribly naive. Phil Jones and other had no problem with the process until contrary data was presented.

Oh... I got the journal. That why I dismissed it with an when it was the root source in one of VBs links.

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However, do you know him IRL? Just curious.

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I've never met Tuba in person. We've exchanged a few emails a long time ago.

I have met his younger brother once however.

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I've never met Tuba in person. We've exchanged a few emails a long time ago.

I have met his younger brother once however.

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Did you ever claim to be my cousin on an airplane?

I have a colleague who says he sat next to someone claiming to be a cousin of mine, he had the same first name as you - i have no cousins with that first name.