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re: Does the left really believe we can power the entire country on solar and wind?
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:46 pm to BeefDawg
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:46 pm to BeefDawg
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There’s 300+ years worth of NG under our country alone.
Link?
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The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates in the Annual Energy Outlook 2019 that as of January 1, 2017, there were about 2,459 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of technically recoverable resources (TRR) of dry natural gas in the United States. Assuming the same annual rate of U.S. dry natural gas production in 2018 of about 30.4 Tcf, the United States has enough dry natural gas to last about 80 years.
This is what I see. That includes proved and unproved.
I know, I know, I'am an idiot. But can you kindly tell me where you get 300?
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:47 pm to cahoots
quote:Think about it
I'm in my 20s so I have to actually think about that future.
Just don't think about it in unicorns and rainbows lest, instead of being successful, you just train wreck the entire economy.
quote:I have an 11 and 9 year old so, you don't know frick all about what I worry about.
You're an old triggered man
The difference is. I'm actually educated and you aren't.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:47 pm to Ace Midnight
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but guys aligned with you (not saying you, specifically, just guys on your side) demonized nuclear in the 1970s.
I remember the "No Nukes" concerts in the late-70's and early 80's, and one group in Baton Rouge sold t-shirts protesting the River Bend plant in West Feliciana Parish. "Visit St. Francisville...while it's still safe."
You have to realize the Left are a bunch of children who have problems, but offer no solutions other than to limit freedoms and take more of the American people's money.
No Nukes
Still to this day I cannot stand Bonnie Raitt and Jackson Browne.
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:49 pm to cahoots
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Why do you keep forgetting about nuclear? Maybe you should hit yourself in the face before you keep typing this incorrect statement.
I'm all for nuclear advocates. Unfortunately the politicians forcing this stuff down our throats want to ban nuclear, which hilariously shows everybody their true intentions. Same with fracking. It's the only two things that can actually help reduce carbon emissions that we have right now.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:55 pm to ShortyRob
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Just don't think about it in unicorns and rainbows lest, instead of being successful, you just train wreck the entire economy.
This reminds me of this little fun article
If we "ban" fossil fuels. The play to profit is international mining and coal stocks
The transition to 100% renewable would be MORE damaging than status quo. That is something that the commies in the ICCP do not forecast.
Libs think that you can wish your way into this new green world without any of the logistics involved.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:55 pm to ShortyRob
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Just don't think about it in unicorns and rainbows lest, instead of being successful, you just train wreck the entire economy.
I'm reasonable. I supported a solar plant in new orleans. The difference in my bill is negligible.
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I have an 11 and 9 year old so, you don't know frick all about what I worry about.
All the best for your kids. But you are prone to getting triggered and name-calling. I mean, you've done it many many times.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:58 pm to cahoots
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All the best for your kids. But you are prone to getting triggered and name-calling. I mean, you've done it many many times.
That's because I'm 100% tired of emotionally driven, no actual knowledge arguments that would HARM my children being pushed by people with no real interest in LEARNING because, well, they think they're so brilliant because they're 20 and their college professor said blah blah blah.
Learn to critically think. The reality is, if people like you get their way, you are going to completely frick.............not me...........MY CHILDREN.
In fact, my aggression towards you is more an act of caring towards you than me.
I'll definitely be dead before my children are totally fricked.......but, I'll probably be dead even as you totally frick yourself.
But, I still give a shite.
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:01 pm to wutangfinancial
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The transition to 100% renewable would be MORE damaging than status quo. That is something that the commies in the ICCP do not forecast.
I pointed out earlier.
Just to meet stated wind energy goals by the stated timeline will require a 5% increase in global carbon emissions vs doing nothing.
And that's just fricking windmills!
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:07 pm to ShortyRob
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I'll definitely be dead before my children are totally fricked.......but, I'll probably be dead even as you totally frick yourself.
But, I still give a shite.
Some of you 20 something liberals should slow down and think about what I said here.
Because, here's reality. Depending on how healthy I can stay, I've got something between 15 and MAYBE 40 years left.
I suppose if I live the 40, I would see the long term effects of catastrophic leftism. But, hell, I'll barely be aware of it.
If I live 15, meh, hardly will notice. It's not like leftism is just going to shite the bed in 24 hours. Even the Soviet Union and Venezuela LOOKED like they were working for quite a while.
50 year olds in Venezuela in 1990 were probably laughed at by liberals in 2005...........and then............well. The 50 year olds were right, now weren't they!?
So, I'm not trying to help me.
I'm trying to help YOU!
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:14 pm to ShortyRob
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That's because I'm 100% tired of emotionally driven, no actual knowledge arguments that would HARM my children being pushed by people with no real interest in LEARNING because, well, they think they're so brilliant because they're 20 and their college professor said blah blah blah.
Two of my best friends just finished phd programs in geology and mechanical engineering. We talk about this stuff because they work in energy now. They're not libs. They're pretty normal nerds.
There is just so much misinformation on both sides of the debate. The fossil fuel industry thrives on it too. Qualified people are spouting bullshite. Which makes it very hard to get to the truth.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:16 pm to cahoots
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Two of my best friends just finished phd programs in geology and mechanical engineering.
So, just to be clear, you have absolutely no experience in the field and very little real life experience to back up anything you are spouting....
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:23 pm to cahoots
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There is just so much misinformation on both sides of the debate. The fossil fuel industry thrives on it too. Qualified people are spouting bullshite. Which makes it very hard to get to the truth.
Yes
But you really CAN apply some logic yourself.
Hell. If you do NOTHING else in your life but play, what I call, the "if this is true then what else must be true" game, you'll became an exponentially better critical thinker.
Your media doesn't lie so much to you as they obfuscate. They tell you shite that they know sells, and then, if it never occurs to you to ask the question after the question, GREAT!
Sure. Windmills are f'n awesome. But, when someone tells you they plan to achieve a particular goal.........and, how much their emissions will be AFTER they achieve that goal, they are leaving out...........ON PURPOSE...........some critical info.
Namely. Um. That shite ain't free(and I don't just mean money).
Also. Even if you love alternative fuel, you have to acknowledge that most of them are FAR less efficient.
Less efficient = more input to produce the same results. IE............a shite TON of windmills which will require...........a shite TON of resources to produce.
Which brings us to economics and opportunity costs which frankly, the left seems completely incapable of even thinking about.
We do not have infinite people or infinite qualified people.
Every man working AT ANY STAGE of the "make windmills" chain.........is a man NOT working in another area.
So. You aren't just shitting tons of resources to make the windmills. You're shitting manpower!
Thus, on your way to that huge increase in carbon emissions we are told are so horrible, you also, by definition, INCREASE the cost of CURRENT shite. Of EVERYTHING!
NONE of which is EVER friggin calculated by these power hungry politicians.
You can meet the goals. We have the ability. You just may fricking bankrupt the whole damned world and starve 2 billion people in the process.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:47 pm to tiggerthetooth
You are asking if they know something. No. They only scream because their leaders tell them to scream.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:48 pm to Clames
Coal liquefaction man a lot of Americans simply can’t get over themselves about fossils fuels
Posted on 9/20/19 at 4:00 pm to jeffsdad
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You are asking if they know something. No. They only scream because their leaders tell them to scream.
Democrats make shite up about energy all the time. Same for media. But you know who else does? Energy companies. Republicans. Everyone.
It happened with the recent push to get Entergy to have more solar in the grid in Louisiana. They intentionally fudged their projections about cost to grenade the whole thing. They also left out the option of buying power from nearby plants (very common). All told, their cost projections were 6 times higher than actual. Whoopsie
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/20/19 at 4:01 pm to Scoop
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Solar will never work until the technology exists to incorporate solar collection it into building and paving materials.
At the present time the battery banks required to store the energy for when the sun is not shining would require more energy to manufacture than is currently produced by solar.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 4:17 pm to cahoots
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Democrats make shite up about energy all the time. Same for media. But you know who else does? Energy companies
no matter what you have been told if you apply logic you will realize that there is no one on the planet more interested in the next viable energy sources than current energy companies.
Please don't have to tell me I have to explain to you why.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 4:21 pm to ShortyRob
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no matter what you have been told if you apply logic you will realize that there is no one on the planet more interested in the next viable energy sources than current energy companies.
Only the majors and only kinda so far...maybe it ramps up. I do know that two big energy PE firms have put together their own alt-energy funds recently as a hedge and probably because the E&P and Midstream markets are total dog shite for the last couple years...maybe there's a return in green.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 4:36 pm to cwill
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Only the majors and only kinda so far...maybe it ramps up. I do know that two big energy PE firms have put together their own alt-energy funds recently as a hedge and probably because the E&P and Midstream markets are total dog shite for the last couple years...maybe there's a return in green.
I'm not even specifically talking about Green. But the bottom line is nobody knows the energy business better than energy companies.
And the energy companies are no different than any other company. They have to anticipate potential threats to their business model we're changes in the business landscape. Ask every company in America who failed to prepare for the internet age how well that worked out for them. Those that didn't adjust are gone
Well I don't know when it's going to happen but some company is going to make a great leap forward. It might not even be specifically in an alternative energy. People forget that most of the progress we've made isn't in new sources but in being much more efficient with the current ones
What happens if somebody develops an engine that's twice as efficient or a method of transmitting power that's twice as efficient or a method of storing power that's twice as efficient
all of these things are things a company has to worry about if they are in the energy business because whoever gets there first is going to have a major advantage over all of the other energy companies
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 9/20/19 at 5:36 pm to Scoop
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Solar will never work until the technology exists to incorporate solar collection it into building and paving materials.
Once that happens, it might work.
You still have to store the energy somehow. The sun doesn't shine at night. Battery technology is not near good enough right now to make this feasible.
Nuclear is the only way forward. And hopefully one day fusion solves this problem once and for all.
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