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re: Does the Democrat plea that every life matters ring hollow for anyone else?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:04 pm to MF Doom
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:04 pm to MF Doom
Pretty weak strawman but ok
No one is saying let’s force older or immune compromised people to go outside
I’d rather put healthy people back to work and build up infrastructure to get those who are most vulnerable food, medical supplies, etc
No one is saying let’s force older or immune compromised people to go outside
I’d rather put healthy people back to work and build up infrastructure to get those who are most vulnerable food, medical supplies, etc
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:05 pm to IslandBuckeye
When a dem says "If it saves one life" they are about to promote some policy that has a negative effect on millions.
No, one life is not worth it.
No, one life is not worth it.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:07 pm to NIH
The same ones cheering market crashes, businesses closing and every American death so they can jeer at OMB. frick those hyprocrites.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:09 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Does it go the same way for the pro-life crowd against the quarantine and social distancing?
Fair question.
The answer is no. Nobody is purposefully pulling folks into an ICU unit and pulling them apart. If the pro-life crowd was arguing that we should bring all the old folks with underlying health issues into hospitals to euthanize them, you might have a point.
Moreover, there's no such thing as a comprise in an abortion. You either kill the baby or you don't, but there are myriad options for social distancing that could make it make sense in light of the actual threat. The discussion/argument isn't whether anything should be done to mitigate the impact of COVID-19, it's about what makes sense given all the factors involved.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:23 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Does it go the same way for the pro-life crowd against the quarantine and social distancing?
What are you referring to??
Can you give a few examples?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:26 pm to NIH
$2.2 trillion divided by however many people die or more appropriately are "saved", which will be a bullshite number eventually.
Some lives matter more than others.
Some lives matter more than others.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:27 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
the pro-life crowd
You mean the good guys? So now killing babies equals social distancing. Got it.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:28 pm to NIH
quote:
Does the Democrat plea that every life matters
The one's they say matter
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:29 pm to NIH
NIH, you are a reasonably-bright guy. Certainly bright enough to understand that MOST of those who support abortion rights (esp. early term) simply DO NOT see an embryo or early-term fetus the same way that YOU see them.
As such, you certainly understand that you are expressing an equivalency that might seem real to YOU but that is entirely FALSE in the eyes of those that you implicitly accuse of disingenuity.
It is NOT disingenuous to “fail to recognize” an equivalency that one DOES NOT see as being remotely equivalent.
But it WILL get you upvotes from some very shallow thinkers ... so there is that.
EDIT
In fact, a quick review shows vocal support from EXACTLY the types of posters that one would expect.
As such, you certainly understand that you are expressing an equivalency that might seem real to YOU but that is entirely FALSE in the eyes of those that you implicitly accuse of disingenuity.
It is NOT disingenuous to “fail to recognize” an equivalency that one DOES NOT see as being remotely equivalent.
But it WILL get you upvotes from some very shallow thinkers ... so there is that.
EDIT
In fact, a quick review shows vocal support from EXACTLY the types of posters that one would expect.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:35 pm to NIH
They are the same people that say open heart surgery and life saving cancer treatments shouldn’t cost $100,000. Ok. They are fine putting a price on life as long as it fits their agenda. $100k for chemo bad, billions of $$ per coronavirus death good. Progressives are very hypocritical.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:37 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
As such, you certainly understand that you are expressing an equivalency that might seem real to YOU but that is entirely FALSE in the eyes of those that you implicitly accuse of disingenuity.
And can you admit there is a difference in social distancing and abortion? And even equating the two isn't really logical at all.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:42 pm to dgnx6
quote:Get outside your own head and THINK from another perspective.
can you admit there is a difference in social distancing and abortion? And even equating the two isn't really logical at all.
If one does not see an embryo as a sapient entity with any rights, it is EASY to say that risking the life of a sapient 65yo is FAR worse than terminating the life of an embryo.
You need not agree, but anyone with basic reasoning skills can UNDERSTAND the point.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:59 pm to NIH
Democratic Party ALWAYS rings hollow
Is and has been an Empty Suit
Is and has been an Empty Suit
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:05 pm to AggieHank86
Let’s assume everyone thinks like the average pro-choice person: The ultimate calculus in an abortion not involving an immediate and severe health risk of the mother is: “I can have this baby but due to circumstances in my life I’m choosing not to do so.” Do you not see how that is a much more grave decision than saying healthy people should go back to work during covid? How it makes Cuomo look hollow for blasting Trump?
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:08 pm to NIH
We absolutely put a price on human life with respect to things we deem necessary in society, like driving in cars for instance.
Abortionists circumvent the analysis by claiming an unborn human baby isn't a human life. Voila (or in OT parlance "Walla"), problem solved.
Abortionists circumvent the analysis by claiming an unborn human baby isn't a human life. Voila (or in OT parlance "Walla"), problem solved.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:13 pm to NIH
The party that openly calls for violence, then celebrates when someone on the right is attacked or killed?
The party that will kill an infant outside of the womb, and celebrate it?
That party?
The party that will kill an infant outside of the womb, and celebrate it?
That party?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:16 pm to NIH
Leftists don't give a frick how many lives are saved by private ownership of guns.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:18 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
You need not agree, but anyone with basic reasoning skills can UNDERSTAND the point.
I don't think many misunderstand what you think only someone as enlightened as you understands. If you're pro-life, that doesn't mean you believe that someone that's pro-choice sees abortion as the murder of a human being with rights. It's pretty well understood that there's a basic disagreement about when "life" begins.
So with that understanding - some believe life begins before birth, others believe it begins after birth (or a few hours after birth) - do you see any distinction between social distancing for COVID and abortion?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:25 pm to David_DJS
quote:Me personally? Yes.
do you see any distinction between social distancing for COVID and abortion?
But many on the far Left of the abortion debate would see me as a hopeless Reactionary.
But that is not my point.
It is ridiculous to accuse someone of disingenuity for taking two positions that are ENTIRELY internally-consistent within their worldview.
It is the equivalent of the far Left seeing disingenuity in one who both supports the death penalty and opposes abortion. It sounds terribly profound ... to someone incapable of coherent thought.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:33 pm to AggieHank86
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But many on the far Left of the abortion debate would see me as a hopeless Reactionary.
As someone who is pro-choice, I can understand where you are coming from.
However, I cannot and will not support killing a child outside of the womb like the racist governor of Virginia. That's where MANY see this argument as well.
The problem you have with your VERY valid statement is just how far they have taken this. Also doesn't help when they are a violent bunch overall.
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