re: Does Satanism exist without Christianity?

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I might be wrong, but I don't expect Satanists to be preaching the importance of humility, chastity, etc.

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People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

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Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

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Satanists are essentially humanists. Since they reject God, they reject the possibility of objective moral reasoning, so when they talk about nobility, goodness, rightness, etc., they have no grounding that truly defines what those are nor where they come from, and thus, why we should accept their version of goodness over that of Christianity.

Well, without God there is no Satan. Satan is Lucifer the fallen angel.

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Yeah you may want to go look up the origination of the torah as an oral tradition and when the book of Revelation was written.

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I could read many old manuscripts and read numerous things written by numerous people, and many would say differing things. All I know is that traditional Christianity has viewed the serpent as the devil for ages

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Don’t different people have different “reason”? So who sets the standard of who’s “reason” is to be used as a standard. Sorry, the ability to discern is not the origin of morality. And before you give one of your standard answers, I know you didn’t say it, you implied it

No. They would just do something else counter.

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You don’t believe there was an actual Adam and Eve or a serpent in the garden, so what does it matter to you anyway

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"You don't believe, so why are you criticizing?"

Oh, the irony.

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Don’t different people have different “reason”?

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Yes. Different sects of Christianity have different "objective" morality based on the same source material, too. That knife cuts both ways.

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So who sets the standard of who’s “reason” is to be used as a standard.

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That's what rhetoric, logic, and debate are for.

Again, this cuts both ways. Who sets the standard of Christianity? Baptists, Anglicans, American Episcopalians, Methodists, Catholics, Orthodox, etc. all have different standards, too.

If this "objective" morality was really objective, we'd have a lot fewer versions of Christianity, let alone religions and philosophies, generally.

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You don’t believe there was an actual Adam and Eve or a serpent in the garden, so what does it matter to you anyway

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I enjoy religions and philosophy from an academic level, at the least.

I also REALLY enjoy analyzing the effects of religion on society as a whole.

Given that I'm an x-enniall, Satanism is a big deal to me b/c I grew up smack dab in the middle of the Satanic Panic. You want to see a bunch of people engaging in delusions and intentional deception, study up on the religious people who tried to take advantage of this panic. Personally, a lot of this ball started in motion for me when I called a Bishop a liar to his face for promoting a story that was clearly a lie. Seeing people go from complete obedience and ignorance to conceptualizing the lie and realizing his bullshite was impactful on young SFP (I was like 12 or 13).

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SlowFlowPro

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Revelator

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I’m not inclined to delve into this debate myself, but I wanted to thank you both for using “Revelation” and not “Revelations”. It really helps to seperate those who are serious from those who are simply grabbing onto something they have heard without ever really knowing what it is they are talking about. The two of you obviously have different views about the book, but both have at least studied it enough to get the name right.