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re: Does making abortion criminal blur the lines of church and state?
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:32 pm to sgallo3
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:32 pm to sgallo3
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If you take out religious people then 68% of people are pro-choice and 19% pro-life
there is no chance a pro-life law would pass without the religious vote
As an atheist that's strongly anti-abortion, this is a terrible argument. There are plenty of laws which can be argued to be "religiously motivated" whether they need to be or not, but that does not automatically make them either wrong, or solely religious. My reasoning for being anti-abortion are obviously not religiously based.
The minute this group starts forcing me to say the Our Father before I vote, I'll get back with you.
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Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:32 pm to moneyg
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I think Louisiana has a bill to make it criminal.
That bill is going nowhere.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:32 pm to sgallo3
No that is not what “separation of church and state” means. People need to stop using terms they don’t understand
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:33 pm to dkreller
If you want to base your life on your fairy tales that is your business. It doesnt belong in grown ups making decisions regarding the law tho
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:35 pm to sgallo3
what's a fairy tale is your definition of "separation of church and state".
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:37 pm to sgallo3
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If you want to base your life on your fairy tales that is your business. It doesnt belong in grown ups making decisions regarding the law tho
I agree, but unless you can say for certain that the only arguments for being anti-abortion are solely religious, then I think this is a moot point. even if EVERY religious person currently is anti-abortion because of their religious belief, there is nothing from stopping them from adopting my thought process, which is devoid of any religious faith, should they ever drop their own faith.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:37 pm to sgallo3
I think you’re a pseudo intellectual trying to come up with “gotcha” statements and this thread isn’t working out very well for you.
But yeah, I would say that; Yes, most murdered people, if able, would choose to have not been murdered.
That’s what makes murder, well, murder.
You trying to separate the fact someone physically can’t have a thought from what their rational and hypothetical thought would have been isn’t witty. It’s dumb.
The fact their dead and can’t express it is the whole point. But then again Looking at the rest of your posts you probably don’t get that.
Troll on….
But yeah, I would say that; Yes, most murdered people, if able, would choose to have not been murdered.
That’s what makes murder, well, murder.
You trying to separate the fact someone physically can’t have a thought from what their rational and hypothetical thought would have been isn’t witty. It’s dumb.
The fact their dead and can’t express it is the whole point. But then again Looking at the rest of your posts you probably don’t get that.
Troll on….
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:40 pm to dkreller
The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship.
On the count of the religious belief of some that abortion is murder, they are revoking the rights established by roe v wade of a mothers womb being part of her right to privacy.
There is no basis for abortion being illegal before christianity.
Are we going to ban those methods of abortion too. Pregnant women arent allowed to undergo strenuous activities that could cause miscarriage?
On the count of the religious belief of some that abortion is murder, they are revoking the rights established by roe v wade of a mothers womb being part of her right to privacy.
There is no basis for abortion being illegal before christianity.
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The first recorded evidence of induced abortion is from the Egyptian Ebers Papyrus in 1550 BCE. Many of the methods employed in early cultures were non-surgical. Physical activities such as strenuous labor, climbing, paddling, weightlifting, or diving were a common technique.
Are we going to ban those methods of abortion too. Pregnant women arent allowed to undergo strenuous activities that could cause miscarriage?
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:42 pm to sgallo3
You're not very good at reading comprehension.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:43 pm to sgallo3
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It doesnt belong in grown ups making decisions regarding the law tho
Once again, what grown ups get to make the decision everybody has to follow?
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:45 pm to Lg
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what grown ups get to make the decision everybody has to follow?
Whomever can accept that their religious beliefs are just that. THEIR religious beliefs and are not the moral authority for all others
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:49 pm to 3nOut
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sure you do. you support laws because of a moral framework. that moral framework may come from being freedom minded, christian minded, progressive minded, climate minded, giving (welfare) minded, LGBT minded etc.
It's a little depressing that more people don't understand this. "We shouldn't legislate morality" lets me know up front that I'm dealing with a shallow thinker.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:50 pm to sgallo3
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they are revoking the rights established by roe v wade of a mothers womb being part of her right to privacy.
So, is the fetus part of the woman or not?
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:55 pm to Lg
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So, is the fetus part of the woman or not?
Yes
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:56 pm to Nurbis
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This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:57 pm to Flats
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"We shouldn't legislate morality"
We shouldnt legislate ethics
Posted on 5/6/22 at 3:00 pm to sgallo3
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We shouldnt legislate ethics
Posted on 5/6/22 at 3:00 pm to cahoots
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It's more of the practical issue of legislating around the exact moment of conception. A court would have to prove that a woman had conceived and taken steps to end the pregnancy. A huge % of fertilized eggs fail to develop on their own (estimated to be half). It's going to be exceedingly difficult to enforce laws that apply at a moment that is not easily observable and during which "life" is already very fragile. We simply don't have the tools to do that effectively.
I can't wait to see how this is enforced equally and fairly.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 3:03 pm to Lg
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If you want to base your life on your fairy tales that is your business. It doesnt belong in grown ups making decisions regarding the law tho
Making yourself to be God are you?
Other than posting BS and not including the link because of your being a coward. Let's try this ...Because it's obvious you are much dumber than you think.
No one in this decision has "Banned" abortion. Abortion is still legal and will be so following the decision. The act of stupidity from the left?
Schumer thinks he can pass a bill in Congress that makes abortion legal nation wide. Schumer needs to sit and realize, the moment a lawless attempt to prove his level of incompetence will go to the court and once again struck down by SCOTUS. The decision is solid until a radical left SCOTUS is seated. It's not Constitutional, never has been and there will be 50 different state decisions upon which to operate from.
Until then, it's more than obvious that you certainly don't represent an adult in the room.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 3:06 pm to bluedragon
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Abortion is still legal and will be so following the decision
Wrong. Look up louisiana trigger laws
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