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re: Does IVF create abortions?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:18 pm to burger bearcat
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:18 pm to burger bearcat
Morality comes from God and his teachings and no the 10 Commandments are not valid which is why it’s so goofy for faux conservatives to champion hanging them in government buildings when everything else they stand for is window dressing. Jesus did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it; Paul covers that topic quite well
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:21 pm to burger bearcat
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In summary. If multiple sins are committed even with the end intent to do good and create a new human life. Is this still ethical
Perhaps some empathy for those who go this route? I cannot describe to you the absolute innate, feral desire that some women have to have babies. As another poster previously commented its not as simple as "just getting what you want".
I was only 31, barely recovering financially from Enron fallout wiping out my savings accounts, and my husband and I had been trying for two years. I mean, I spent days crying in the back of my closet each month when we weren't successful. I prayed, made deals with God. For two years... (my husband never knew this but..) I got so psycho I would buy pregnancy tests at the dollar store by the dozen and would pee on those things every damned day and stare at them until my eyes crossed hoping to see pink lines. We tried IUI a couple of cycles. Graduated to IVF..
I think there is a responsible way to assist couples who want children .
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:21 pm to swamptiger99
quote:Of course not. An abortion is the intentional ending of a human life. In IVF they throw away fertilized eggs almost every time. They decide which ones they want to use and “abort” the rest.
Do you consider miscarriages abortions?
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:21 pm to Stitches
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Moral relativism that is largely the product of bible alone theology, whereby every man gets to interpret and decide for themselves what is true and "allowed" without any oversight from the pillar and foundation of truth....the Church.
Right just buy some trinket-idols, pray to dead people, pay for some forgiveness from a false divine and work harder at that salvation. Voila! You’re freed from the bounds of Scripture!!
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:22 pm to McLemore
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Right just buy some trinket-idols, pray to dead people, pay for some forgiveness from a false divine and work harder at that salvation. Voila!
Your retarded Presbyterianism is showing again.
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You’re freed from the bounds of Scripture!!
I didn't admonish scripture, which i view as inerrant and inspired, but rather the unhistoric and non-scriptural bible alone doctrine.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:25 pm to burger bearcat
Honestly this is super simple and is only overcomplicated by lawyers who want to make a buck (or people who want to sound philosophical):
People use IVF because they can't get pregnant themselves for various reasons, and as such, IVF is the only way they can bring a human life into the world.
Saying IVF is bad because it may somehow terminate an Embryo that would already be terminated if it even got to that stage naturally (as again, IVF is for people who can't get it done naturally) is just dumb and will only result in fewer human lives being created.
People use IVF because they can't get pregnant themselves for various reasons, and as such, IVF is the only way they can bring a human life into the world.
Saying IVF is bad because it may somehow terminate an Embryo that would already be terminated if it even got to that stage naturally (as again, IVF is for people who can't get it done naturally) is just dumb and will only result in fewer human lives being created.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:25 pm to burger bearcat
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If multiple sins are committed even with the end intent to do good and create a new human life. Is this still ethical? Christians celebrate new life, but the teachings are pretty clear about the path being narrow.
Who cares? According to Christians, every new life is started with sin.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:27 pm to toofache
I’m glad you have a beautiful baby. I’m not here to act holier than thou. God knows I’ve made mistakes. But there isn’t a difference between an abortion and choosing which fertilized egg you want and throwing away the rest. I’m not even saying that’s what happened in your situation. But that’s the only way to look at it logically.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:27 pm to toofache
It’s a goofy argument from Biblical hardliners who know little about the Bible in all practicality just mimicking what came out of the pulpit. They love to fixate over abortion but ignore gambling, lying, stealing, pornography, premarital sex, drug use, alcohol, and litany of other very prevalent sins that somehow sneak through the cracks. And no, I do not support abortion but I absolutely understand where a scenario could arise where that may occur.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:28 pm to Stitches
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Your retarded Presbyterianism is showing again.
Hey an observant Catholic
I guess they do exist
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:30 pm to Pettifogger
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Hey an observant Catholic
I guess they do exist
Since 33AD baby!
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:31 pm to Stitches
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retarded Presbyterianism
You misspelled non-heretical, non neopagan, little-o orthodox Christianity.
Your straw man BS about true Reformed Protestants being free to interpret the Bible the way they see fit is one of the most absurd things I’ve read on TD. Stuff competition.
Hopefully your double-pneumonia-ridden pope — the clear successor to the Apostle Peter with God-granted authority—can help you understand Scripture. Meanwhile I’ll stick with the actual apostles, true early church fathers, the Reformers (who continued the true Church) and the Westminster Divines.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:31 pm to Rip Torn
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They love to fixate over abortion but ignore gambling, lying, stealing, pornography, premarital sex, drug use, alcohol, and litany of other very prevalent sins that somehow sneak through the cracks.
yeah bro the Baptists never talk about gambling, porn, premarital sex or booze
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:32 pm to Stitches
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Since 33AD baby!
With some notable 1000s of year interruptions since.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:33 pm to burger bearcat
IVF is abortive in some sense, at least in its common practice of destroying fertilized eggs that are not needed. I think it's a little different than "abortion" by and large due to its purpose. Abortion is a purposeful act to end life whereas IVF ends life as a typical result of the process, though not necessary, as there are embryo donations that occur that preserve the lives of the children.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:34 pm to burger bearcat
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Playing God and attempting to end run around the natural process is just that.
I’m assuming you will not be using chemotherapy, a vent or ECMO and have a medical will that stipulates to that.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:35 pm to McLemore
I guess we're on the same team as the papist for this one
Except for the whole "Calvin created IVF" part
Except for the whole "Calvin created IVF" part
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:41 pm to Pettifogger
Well then you would have no problem explaining to others or starting threads about the sin of masterbation and lust? I suspect that political and public stance would be a bitter pill to swallow. I haven’t heard too many sermons on sports betting, smoking, or beer drinking in the South but I have heard quite a few on abortion and other politically divisive issues
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:43 pm to Stitches
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pillar and foundation of truth....the Church.
What Bible you reading Baw???
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:46 pm to McLemore
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non-heretical
You know how the early Christians defined heresy? Basically anything that was taught as something "new" was automatically considered heresy. Such examples would include sola fide, sola scriptura, divine determinism, total depravity, limited atonement, irresistible grace, eternal security, imputed righteousness, denial of baptismal regeneration, etc.
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non neopagan
This, objectively speaking, makes zero sense seeing as how the Catholic church wrote the Nicene Creed which I'm sure you recite.
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little-o orthodox Christianity.
othodox is the opposite of heterodox, so see my first paragraph above for example of why you can't call yourself that.
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Your straw man BS about true Reformed Protestants being free to interpret the Bible the way they see fit is one of the most absurd things I’ve read on TD.
Tell that to John MacArthur, who calls himself a Reformed Protestant, yet excludes infants from covenant membership, affirms the Nestorian heresy, and believes in dispensationalism....all based on how he interprets scripture over and against his own confession of faith.
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true early church fathers
Are on my team, not yours. They would label you a Gnostic since that's basically all that Calvinism is.
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the Reformers (who continued the true Church)
Which reformers? That's a different church with different beliefs on matters of predestination, the eucharist, what baptism does and who its for, how we are saved (the mechanism through which), whether we can lose that salvation, etc all based on how each interpreted scripture.
You should ask whichever institution you got your Masters degree in Theology from for a refund, because it obviously wasn't a good investment.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 2:47 pm
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