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re: Does abortion being legal explain the dramatic drop in violent crime?

Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:18 pm to
Are you seriously arguing murder rates aren’t half of what they were in 1980?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:20 pm to
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Are you seriously arguing murder rates aren’t half of what they were in 1980?


I'm seriously arguing you need to provide credible source for statistics. The source you provided opens with, "military created anthrax to brainwash people". Maybe try, the FBI...or googling. Or whatever website, other than the one you posted, you are getting your statistics from. I know you aren't very smart, but even you should be able to get this right.

Secondly, answer these questions:

What % of aborted babies would grow up to become violent criminals?
WHat % of violent criminals come from single parent households?
What % of single vs. married people have had abortions?
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12428 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:32 pm to
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Does abortion being legal explain the dramatic drop in violent crime?

No, but mandatory sentencing guidelines does.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:34 pm to
It’s an absolute fact that murder rates are half of what they were in 1980, I’m not going to dispute or post further links about that. Look it up yourself.
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What % of violent criminals come from single parent households?
What percentage stopped abortions would be from a single parent household? And absolutely a disproportionate amount of violent criminals come from single parent households.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:40 pm to
Is someone more or less likely to commit a violent crime after a lengthy prison sentence? IYO?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:42 pm to
More likely false reporting than anything. I’d say the opposite is likely true.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56903 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:43 pm to
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It’s an absolute fact that murder rates are half of what they were in 1980


Wonderful, post the statistics.

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I’m not going to dispute or post further links about that


You posted 1 shitty link. Nothing else.

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Look it up yourself.


Again, that's not how this works, genius.

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What percentage stopped abortions would be from a single parent household?


Again, not how this works. I ask you a question, you answer. I asked you 3, yet you only chose 1 to respond to, why?

What % of aborted babies would grow up to become violent criminals?
WHat % of violent criminals come from single parent households?
What % of single vs. married people have had abortions?

At the bare minimum, you should be able to answer these questions in order to come to a conclusion.

FWIW, you are terrible at this...
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:47 pm to
You don’t dictate “how it works”, the murder rate in the US was 10.2 per 100k in 1980, and roughly 5 per 100k now.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56903 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:55 pm to
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You don’t dictate “how it works”


You're right. Posting decorum dictates that when you make a claim, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

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the murder rate in the US was 10.2 per 100k in 1980, and roughly 5 per 100k now.



and where did you get this from? Anthrax was created by government to control the masses website?
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:11 pm to
“Murder rate fell 47 percent from 1993 to 2019.” Lol and you throw out personal insults.
Posted by ssgrice
Arizona
Member since Nov 2008
3205 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:22 pm to
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Does abortion being legal explain the dramatic drop in violent crime?

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Nope, it's climate change.

You're both wrong, it's statue removals
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:26 pm to
Those damn statues were out there murdering people like crazy.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56903 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:43 pm to
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“Murder rate fell 47 percent from 1993 to 2019.”


When was abortion made legal?
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:47 pm to
It stopped being illegal 20 years prior to the dramatic and steady decline of the homicide rate.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7682 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:50 pm to
The Freakonomics authors made a case that the drop in crime was linked. Of course, the moral/scientific/religious/political implications remain, regardless, but I found the chapter to be interesting.

By the way, I recall that the abortion chapter was one of the least compelling. Just too many other variables.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 1:57 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56903 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:09 pm to
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It stopped being illegal 20 years prior to the dramatic and steady decline of the homicide rate.


I think that answers your question.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:11 pm to
There are certainly many variables. But just think of the mindset/child caring abilities of someone willing to abort a child. Is said forced birth child not significantly more likely to commit a violent crime?
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
10492 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:12 pm to
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About 20 years after Roe v Wade, murder and other violent crimes started a steady and continual decline. Is it a coincidence or what else explains this?




Private gun ownership rising directly correlates to the drop in violent crime.

Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4164 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:14 pm to
This is a pretty well known fact—-most all violent crimes are down considerable vs a couple decades ago.


It just seems like an increase do to the immediacy of the news cycle and how constant it is.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 2:15 pm
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