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re: Do you think you will personally witness severe persecution of Christians in this country?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:30 am to BigTigerJoe
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:30 am to BigTigerJoe
Have you ever looked into what books German nationals and students were burning?
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:12 am to SlowFlowPro
You have no idea how long you will be around. No human on this earth is promised tomorrow. Every breathe you take is a blessing from God.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:44 am to AggieHank86
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If you are going to accuse a person of lying, show the balls to demonstrate EXACTLY what false statement you claim he has made.
I read a lot of your posts here and you rarely make a logical faux pas. I am generally disappointed that the majority of the responses to your posts are simply dismissive or ad hominem attacks. I will say as a fellow traveler you do something most people absolutely hate, as my wife would say "you are lawyering them". You make precisely worded queries or proffers that are fraught with tricks and traps. It leads a lot of the blissfully unaware down a primrose path that leads them to typing exactly what you wanted them to type. Nobody is happy when they realize they are 3 moves from mate.
I say this as not a condemnation but as a compliment and I should take an extra second to acknowledge your stamina. The art of verbal jousting is all but dead in the general population, most would rather hurl the pejorative du jour and give themselves a mental high five for their ownage.
Posted publically due to the forums lack of DMs.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:46 am to AggieHank86
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So, the question NOW is whether Christian zealots will be routinely subjected to "severe persecution?"
The answer is still "no," but it is a different question.
Hard as you try to imply that it wasn't, the distinction was relevant in the context of the conversation.
Unless you think that painting large swaths of people with a really broad brush without regard for any nuance is the way to get to the truth of a question. I hadn't gotten that impression of you thus far, though.
Maybe selectively? Only when Christians are involved?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:15 am to Obtuse1
quote:You got me.
You make precisely worded queries or proffers that are fraught with tricks and traps. It leads a lot of the blissfully unaware down a primrose path that leads them to typing exactly what you wanted them to type.
I am fully aware that the extremists and zealots that I skewer will not change their views. Hell, they do not even acknowledge that they have been skewered and in many cases even think that they “won” an exchange … encouraged by the shouts of the mob at their backs.
My hope is simply that the non-zealots amongst the forum’s silent readers take a moment to ponder the many, many flaws in the extremists’ arguments.
quote:In candor, in most cases I do not think they recognize that mate is imminent. The cheers of the mob convince them that THEY are winning the game. That is almost as entertaining as watching them follow where I lead.
Nobody is happy when they realize they are 3 moves from mate.
As an aside, I usually find your posts interesting and/or informative as well. I wish you posted more.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 6:17 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:19 am to chadr07
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You have no idea how long you will be around.
Sure, I said probably, given the question (if I will personally witness something, which requires me being alive).
Any time period shorter than what I listed clearly makes it less likely I would observe this persecution.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:20 am to wackatimesthree
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In name only.
The number willing to face actual persecution for following Christ is much, much smaller.
Well yes if we are redefining works (like Liberals), then you can spin this however you want.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:22 am to LRB1967
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is already happening
There most certainly must be levels of persecution.
I hear the term and I think killed. In which case, no. Not in my lifetime. Christians are armed in this country. Liberals not so much.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:26 am to LSU alum wannabe
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I hear the term and I think killed. In which case, no. Not in my lifetime.
Yeah seeing this thread bumped and the redefining going on reflects what you said. How they define "persecuted" matters.
I put it more in line with your definition, or specifically targeting people with the power of government for specifically being Christian.
What they would likely counter with is like that recent story of the "preacher" who got a restraining order for harassing people. That restraining order law has nothing to do with religion, but since (1) he will claim martyr status as a Christian and (2) the media they consume will frame it in a particular way, they'll consider that "persecution of Christians".
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:40 am to Mike da Tigah
No, but not because there aren’t forces that want to. Conservatives have the Supreme Court for the next 30 years, due to both the way the senate and electoral college are set up, they are going to trend increasingly Republican over the next fifty years. By 2040 republicans will be able to hold the senate with 35% of voters and win the president with 40% of voters. I expect we’ll still get well over those numbers. This is why the democrats are so out of control now, they realize that betting their future on getting people who live in and around cities to vote for them is a losing strategy. They’ve also just straight up lost the “purple” states where the parties used to compete. Is Ohio ever going to vote Democrat again? Is Florida? Is North Carolina?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:41 am to Mike da Tigah
Lol no, never. Neither will my kids or grandkids
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:26 am to Mike da Tigah
Jesus told Christians to expect persecution in the last days. At least I know what to expect, and I am not surprised. I have given much thought to this topic during the past few years. I know that I must stay vigilant.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:58 am to Obtuse1
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I will say as a fellow traveler you do something most people absolutely hate, as my wife would say "you are lawyering them". You make precisely worded queries or proffers that are fraught with tricks and traps. It leads a lot of the blissfully unaware down a primrose path that leads them to typing exactly what you wanted them to type. Nobody is happy when they realize they are 3 moves from mate.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:00 am to AggieHank86
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In candor, in most cases I do not think they recognize that mate is imminent. The cheers of the mob convince them that THEY are winning the game. That is almost as entertaining as watching them follow where I lead.
As an aside, I usually find your posts interesting and/or informative as well.
I wish you posted more.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:02 am to AggieHank86
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I am fully aware that the extremists and zealots that I skewer will not change their views. Hell, they do not even acknowledge that they have been skewered and in many cases even think that they “won” an exchange … encouraged by the shouts of the mob at their backs.
My hope is simply that the non-zealots amongst the forum’s silent readers take a moment to ponder the many, many flaws in the extremists’ arguments.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:03 am to Mr. Misanthrope
It is hilarious to watch the way that you children react when two posters you do not like align, when your entire “side” of any discussion on this forum is pure pack mentality.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:39 pm to AggieHank86
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It is hilarious to watch the way that you children react when two posters you do not like align, when your entire “side” of any discussion on this forum is pure pack mentality.
I have never expressed dislike towards you, (in fact I noted Mrs M and I are praying for you-wandering lost sheep that you are) and I don’t know enough about the other poster to like or dislike them.
As far as my “side” is concerned, I have my opinions on a variety of issues that I try to argue respectfully, without hostility, usually giving the other “side” a fair hearing and, usually, ascribing the most charitable construction to their motives.
At times, often maybe, my opinions align with this-as you describe them-gang of posters of the sort you believe are far less intelligent, educated, and sophisticated as you and which you admittedly enjoy laying rhetorical traps for them and making sport of them for your personal amusement and self-aggrandizement. This isn’t the conduct of a gentleman nor is it a likable quality.
To continue. Mob rule and pack mentality in the sense you’re using them here are not my cup of tea. It’s dangerous and abhorrent, as you suggest, and is the kind of thing we see in the Antifa, BLM, pro-Transgender movements. They, and their fellow travelers are generally slavering, unrelenting, unreasonable, hostile, hooting mobs that will not tolerate discussion, facts contrary to their opinions, and are openly hostile and violent towards anyone who disagrees and dissents.
Though you see the posters on this board that disagree and perhaps dislike you as the type of gang I just described, they are not.
At worst, you are going to frustrate a well meaning poster with your clever, smug self-amusing rhetorical antics and they will downvote you and call you a name.
The other gang is a different story. Cross them and they may walk into your school or church and start shooting. You seem to not know the difference anymore.
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It is hilarious to watch the way that you children react when two posters you do not like align,
As far as you and the other poster being in some manner aligned, I don’t have any particular experience of that or examples of it to have a reaction.
My sole response was a humorous jibe in the form of a gif from a South Park episode titled Smug. Persons afflicted with Smug were so obnoxiously self-congratulatory, and self-righteous that they sniffed their own flatulence.
The other poster’s rather unctuous praise of your otherwise odious attitude towards posters here and your reply, accepting his fulsome praise, admitting to doing what he admired, and even elaborating by admitting more he might not have noticed, taking a grand victory lap, and then nauseatingly praising him-well, it just all reminded me of South Park and the gif I shared with you both.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:54 pm to zaniesmo12
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Jesus told Christians to expect persecution in the last days. At least I know what to expect, and I am not surprised. I have given much thought to this topic during the past few years. I know that I must stay vigilant.
Yeah but Jesus also said
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But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come
Which does sound like now, but it’s also sounded that way to every single generation of Christians that have been alive since, and all of them died without the end. Obviously we are closer now than ever before as a matter of time, but I’d be careful to be ready but also not claim knowledge of something that’s impossible to have
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