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re: Do the math. It is almost impossible for an American to die of COVID-19.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 5:49 am to Korkstand
Posted on 4/19/20 at 5:49 am to Korkstand
He’s an idiot like most here. I wish it were not the case but the toll is coming due and soon.
I hate for the country being shutdown, but some people do not understand basic concepts like exponential math and limits, asymptotic curves and the like because they thought wtf would I ever need that ...
The toll is going to be quite punitive and much larger than people expected because they refuse to believe something is happening because it hasn’t happened to them or someone they know. Florida is about to dick the South in the worst possible way and it will be way worse than the 39k that were dead as of this post (actually already near 41k)
I hate for the country being shutdown, but some people do not understand basic concepts like exponential math and limits, asymptotic curves and the like because they thought wtf would I ever need that ...
The toll is going to be quite punitive and much larger than people expected because they refuse to believe something is happening because it hasn’t happened to them or someone they know. Florida is about to dick the South in the worst possible way and it will be way worse than the 39k that were dead as of this post (actually already near 41k)
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 5:51 am
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 8:04 am to jimdog
quote:According to reddit, the rate for NYC is 1 in 1000.
86 of every 1,000,000 Americans have died
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:02 am to Korkstand
quote:But he is REALLY good at spewing techno-jargon that he does not understand very well.
I'm done with you.
You either misunderstand or misrepresent absolutely everything. You don't understand the most basic of logical fallacies even after multiple attempts to explain it to you. You called it "made up discussion rules", for frick's sake. It's basic logic!
He actually argues with premises as basic as the difference between a negative right and a positive right. Arguing with him is infuriating BECAUSE he is so damned stupid. He is not even smart enough to understand that he does not understand. But watching him is mildly entertaining for the first few rounds.
By about the fourth round (when he is responding separately to each prepositional phrase), even WATCHING him gets tiring.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 11:12 am
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:05 am to AggieHank86
quote:
But he is REALLY good at spewing techno-jargon that he does not understand very well.
You do the exact same
You also make out with your family members
Like anyone can trust you or that moron korkstand
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:30 pm to Korkstand
Well so be it if that be the case. So your position is all is lost, just give the freak up, stay home and starve. Since to get off your butt and try to provide sustenance and or save our nation from a real nightmare is a lost cause. If in fact you believe all your horror tales to be true.
Here is the reality: The odds of you contracting the CV virus are extremely slim. The odds of your demise unless you are an at risk, already diseased elderly person are closer to none than slim. There are billions upon billions of person to person contacts daily among Americans and over the last 3 months or so and what, 25K have died at a time they were diagnosed with CV. I won't get off into the sure instances that CV was not the primary cause. Remover the close to half that were both elderly and diagnosed. Then remove the others who were suffering from obesity or a serious illness and you have an almost statistically impossible chance of dying from CV unless you operate a chain of nursing homes or go to the most obese part of a big southern city and go door to door shaking hands. And are already at risk yourself.
It's possible that you (healthy and much younger than I one would presume) could beat the long odds and contract it. It's even remotely possible that you could then be one of the 35 or so healthy under 60 y.o. folks out of a raw million who die with it. But that's human nature to worry. I'm sitting here sweating a tornado watch til 11 PM. Then I'll go back to a much bigger fear, great depression #2 that we are facing.
Here is the reality: The odds of you contracting the CV virus are extremely slim. The odds of your demise unless you are an at risk, already diseased elderly person are closer to none than slim. There are billions upon billions of person to person contacts daily among Americans and over the last 3 months or so and what, 25K have died at a time they were diagnosed with CV. I won't get off into the sure instances that CV was not the primary cause. Remover the close to half that were both elderly and diagnosed. Then remove the others who were suffering from obesity or a serious illness and you have an almost statistically impossible chance of dying from CV unless you operate a chain of nursing homes or go to the most obese part of a big southern city and go door to door shaking hands. And are already at risk yourself.
It's possible that you (healthy and much younger than I one would presume) could beat the long odds and contract it. It's even remotely possible that you could then be one of the 35 or so healthy under 60 y.o. folks out of a raw million who die with it. But that's human nature to worry. I'm sitting here sweating a tornado watch til 11 PM. Then I'll go back to a much bigger fear, great depression #2 that we are facing.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 8:08 pm to Korkstand
quote:
But all of these simpleton stats don't help.
they do me. helps as if watching groucho marx or ernie kovacs.
i get a sense of wonder how such dumbasses manage at all.
it seems there are posters vying for approval now, posting viscious false propaganda, hoping to be kissed and coddled by their peers.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 8:11 pm to Korkstand
Fake news
Posted on 4/19/20 at 8:15 pm to jimdog
Listen, I think Middle America has proven we are ready to open back up and get people back to work.
However, saying something like this is just fricking stupid:
No, it is not "almost impossible" for an American to die of this virus. Not even close. You mention obesity as a preexisting condition, but you do realize that one in three Americans are obese, don't you? That healthcare is very expensive and many Americans are in poor health already?
Come on man.
However, saying something like this is just fricking stupid:
quote:
Do the math. It is almost impossible for an American to die of COVID-19.
No, it is not "almost impossible" for an American to die of this virus. Not even close. You mention obesity as a preexisting condition, but you do realize that one in three Americans are obese, don't you? That healthcare is very expensive and many Americans are in poor health already?
Come on man.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:11 pm to scionofadrunk
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:59 pm to Korkstand
quote:probably for the better. you aren't doing well on this subject
I'm done with you
quote:considering your performance and reputation, you should look in the mirror
You don't understand the most basic of logical fallacies even after multiple attempts to explain it to you
quote:no it is not and i explained it to you in basic english. i'm sorry you don't understand.
You called it "made up discussion rules", for frick's sake. It's basic logic!
quote:i applied no interpretation. i simply linked to the video and then quoted them. my word you are obtuse
you have applied your own interpretation
quote:the reason i'm bumping this thread is because there just continues to be more evidence of what people have been trying to tell you
When it's pointed out that there is nothing nefarious about the specific CDC recs
problems with case reporting
more mortality questions
quote:this has not happened even one time. i have been saying the same thing consistently. you can't even understand what you are attempting to respond to which explains why you are so confused on the matter.
Not only have you failed to provide even one piece of evidence, or logic and reasoning, to back your claim, but the claim changes every time you are challenged on it
quote:all i did was cite the cdc themselves and you go on this bizarre freaking rant
there is no way any sane person can frick up as much math, logic, and common sense as you have here
quote:
misleading edited "quote" from me removed
quote:sigh. you are saying "it is certain that it is overwhelmingly likely...." that is stupid. you have no idea whether it's overwhelmingly likely and that has been the debate all along. no one knows and that is what people have been trying to point out from the beginning and now i have cited 2 more articles from experts and observers substantiating the point. my gosh you are as bad as 90npc
How can someone interpret "overwhelmingly likely" to mean "a certainty"?
quote:you are factually wrong on this matter. it's up to you to come to grips with that. you can keep saying stupid wrong garbage or try to understand how you're wrong
And my claim of overwhelming likelihood is backed by very basic probabilities
quote:you are failing to understand this statement is highly debatable and that's part of the reason why this thread has gone on so long. people are trying to get through to you and you just aren't getting it. people don't agree with your amateur, ill informed assessment. having a chorus of aggie stank and antonio moss is not helping you. it's making it worse because they are halfwits
It takes an absolute dipshit, or a troll, to even attempt to make a case that covid is not extremely likely to be the cause of death when a person dies while being ill with covid
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:59 pm to The_411
quote:it's amazing. basically everything you just said is wrong
He’s an idiot like most here. I wish it were not the case but the toll is coming due and soon.
I hate for the country being shutdown, but some people do not understand basic concepts like exponential math and limits, asymptotic curves and the like because they thought wtf would I ever need that ...
The toll is going to be quite punitive and much larger than people expected because they refuse to believe something is happening because it hasn’t happened to them or someone they know. Florida is about to dick the South in the worst possible way and it will be way worse than the 39k that were dead as of this post (actually already near 41k)
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:04 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
But he is REALLY good at spewing techno-jargon that he does not understand very well
aggie stank speak for "i don't even understand what he's saying because i'm not smart enough." quote:
He actually argues with premises as basic as the difference between a negative right and a positive right
ah. the good old days with hank. dang you are horrible. quote:hey remember all those times i asked you to explain your stupid "sapience" stance? you STILL haven't answered that one. how many months ago was that? have you made any progress? you are special.
Arguing with him is infuriating BECAUSE he is so damned stupid. He is not even smart enough to understand that he does not understand. But watching him is mildly entertaining for the first few rounds. you have some of the stupidest ideas i have ever read on this board.
By about the fourth round (when he is responding separately to each prepositional phrase), even WATCHING him gets tiring.
just another reminder. you have one of the worst reputations on this entire board. do you know why?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:06 pm to oman
quote:that was a stupid attempt at a gotcha. just because he succumbed to the virus doesn't mean he was wrong. let me ask you a question, what should he have done differently? just stay locked up at home? for how long?
oman
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:26 pm to bfniii
quote:The excess mortality data indicate that for every 100 COVID-19 deaths, an additional 70 or 80 excess death above the threshold (i.e., above the upper bound of the 95% CI). In other words, if we have 2,000 COVID-19 deaths in a day, there is 3,600 excess deaths, and that’s with a 350 death margin to exceed the threshold.
the reason i'm bumping this thread is because there just continues to be more evidence of what people have been trying to tell you
problems with case reporting
more mortality questions
And this is happening worldwide, regardless of policy, from straight lockdowns (UK) to more the open policies (Sweden) and continents.
So clearly with excess deaths to these levels everywhere, it’s killing more than even the totals indicate. The FLU deaths are usually revised upward 5-10 times WITHOUT excess death data (except 2017-2018 but it was only a few thousand) so even if these are revised upward by 60% that’s far less of an upward revision with more data to support it.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:29 pm to buckeye_vol
bfniii didn't understand a single word of that.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:37 pm to Korkstand
quote:And to further support that they’re COVID-19 related. The one group that we would expect to not have excess mortality is the <18 group since they are far less likely to get infected than usual (e.g., spread in school; represent only 2% of infections compared to 30% of flu infections) and accidents are one of the most common causes of deaths.
bfniii didn't understand a single word of that.
Sure enough they’re actually having fewer deaths than usual.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:46 pm to jimdog
stupid thread award of the week goes to jimdog.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:48 pm to CelticDog
quote:
stupid thread award of the week goes to jimdog.
figures an idiot like yourself would support this horse shite
Divide the deaths by the population and go frick yourself
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:53 pm to bfniii
quote:Your first link discusses the relationship between positive test counts and the number of tests administered, and how the media is presenting that information. It has absolutely dick to do with fatalities and fatality rates. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
the reason i'm bumping this thread is because there just continues to be more evidence of what people have been trying to tell you
problems with case reporting
more mortality questions
And your second link backs me and other rational people 100%. I mean, did you even read past the headline?
quote:
now i have cited 2 more articles from experts and observers substantiating the point.
quote:It's really not debatable. If you truly think that there is a significant number of deaths being misattributed to covid, then you are going to be left with a shitload of extra dead people for which you have no explanation. You are going to end up digging yourself an even deeper hole and looking even more stupid when you start claiming that health departments around the country and world are printing up death certs for people who never existed. That's going to be your only remaining argument.
you are failing to understand this statement is highly debatable
quote:This thread has gone on so long because incredibly people like you exist who just don't understand very basic information.
that's part of the reason why this thread has gone on so long
quote:
people are trying to get through to you and you just aren't getting it
Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:02 pm to Summer of George
quote:seems like it always is fake news.
Fake news
it's time to change the spelling of these two words and make it a single word. ie: fakenews
can't find a word of truth coming from these idiots.
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