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re: Did Trump dig his own 2024 grave with the Candace Owens interview?
Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:47 pm to Upperaltiger06
Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:47 pm to Upperaltiger06
I agree with your personal positions and articulation 200%.
If I may ask -- can you clarify on exactly what Trump is said to be "capitalizing" on?
Is there ANY proof or study that demonstrates CV-19 Vaxxes provide ANY level protection for "older" folks from the countless strains of Covid virus?
If I may ask -- can you clarify on exactly what Trump is said to be "capitalizing" on?
Is there ANY proof or study that demonstrates CV-19 Vaxxes provide ANY level protection for "older" folks from the countless strains of Covid virus?
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:47 pm to stout
I do think he made a mistake not differentiating between an at risk person taking the vaccine and forcing a child to take the vaccine. A basic risk analysis would tell you the vaccine risks far outweigh any benefit a healthy child would receive from the vaccine.
People haven’t turned on him over his position on the vaccine, but they will if he doesn’t make clear that children shouldn’t be forced to take this to participate in society.
People haven’t turned on him over his position on the vaccine, but they will if he doesn’t make clear that children shouldn’t be forced to take this to participate in society.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:58 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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He’s [Trump] letting Americans know that there is still a choice
Yes, but can his interview be seen at the same time as giving tacit approval AS AN ADVOCATE of these same CV-19 Vaxxes at EXACTLY the wrong time? (as Biden is threatening retribution & revenge of the un-vaxxed).
BOTTOMLINE:
Trump has now served as a Wild Card and Vax-Advocate (just when Biden desperately needed the support.) DJT's advocacy was immediately weaponized as a Political sledgehammer by Raggedy Ann.
Trump doesn't need to walk his position back; Trump needs to RUN it all back. IMO a complete disaster.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:59 pm to Liberator
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Trump has now served as a Wild Card and Vax-Advocate (just when Biden desperately needed the support.) DJT's advocacy was immediately weaponized as a Political sledgehammer by Raggedy Ann.
Trump doesn't need to walk his position back; Trump needs to RUN it all back. IMO a complete disaster.
Well said. I dont see how this part of it is overlooked. All he did was give them more ammo
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:04 pm to stout
As much as everyone has done the most insane twisting of logic into all sorts of knots just to convince themselves that Trump is this infallible master of everything who can do no wrong, it would be nuts if what brought him down is his simply saying that the vaccines are a good thing and people should get them.
But then again I guess nothing surprises me anymore.
But then again I guess nothing surprises me anymore.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:05 pm to Azkiger
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So long as Trump's policy is "take it if you want it" I'm fine with him. He's free to think it's the best thing ever, I just want to be free with respect to whether I want to take it or not.
Beyond "purity tests", there was still a whole lot Trump could and should have addressed:
What about Trump's tacit approval and public advocacy of the Vax? His silience on Biden's threats to the un-Vaxxed? Couldn't he have weighed in on our freedoms to disagree and debate the Vax publicly -- freedoms that have been quashed / censored / Red Flagged? HE DIDN'T.
Trump's opinion is his opinion, but he carries bigly weight. Why can't he ALSO voice bigly support to FREE SPEECH, those who disagree with the Vax for several reasons? WHY didn't he come down hard on the Biden Admin targeting / threats of un-Vaxxed?
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:07 pm to SDVTiger
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I'm sure it turned some off but ppl need to realize if he didn't warp speed we would be locked down till 2024 He fricked their timeline up bigly He doesn't communicate that very well
He gave the manufacturers immunity from liability regarding adverse reactions and deaths caused by the vaccine. Operation Ward Speed was by far the worst thing Trump ever did as president.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:08 pm to Liberator
According to the data there is absolutely a large protective effect. I understand folks don’t trust the data and I’m sure there a some faults with it, but I do believe the vaccines have been protective for the high risk. I also believe that the negative side effects are much more common than what we are seeing in the media.
The problems I see is the utilization and push for the low risk to take something that the long term risks are unknown. It is criminal to be giving this shot to people under the age of 20 unless they have serious comorbidities.
The risk-reward of this shot is acceptable for a 79 year old with health problems. Many older conservatives I speak with have taken and are thankful for the shot. This is what Trump is speaking to.
There is no debating that for a healthy under-20 (even perhaps under 40/50 especially after safety data comes back...if its true). Healthy under 20s risk with covid is less than 1 in a million (according to oxford covid risk calculator) whereas the risk for serious adverse effects such as myocarditis is much higher.
The problems I see is the utilization and push for the low risk to take something that the long term risks are unknown. It is criminal to be giving this shot to people under the age of 20 unless they have serious comorbidities.
The risk-reward of this shot is acceptable for a 79 year old with health problems. Many older conservatives I speak with have taken and are thankful for the shot. This is what Trump is speaking to.
There is no debating that for a healthy under-20 (even perhaps under 40/50 especially after safety data comes back...if its true). Healthy under 20s risk with covid is less than 1 in a million (according to oxford covid risk calculator) whereas the risk for serious adverse effects such as myocarditis is much higher.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:11 pm to stout
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All he [Trump] did was give them [Biden / Vax-Fascists] more ammo.
Yup.
I dunno if I'm more disappointed in Trump...OR in those "conservatives" who can't see beyond the fog of bullsh*t and on overlooking the other truths -- that Trump has essentially added HIS weight behind Biden, the mandates, and silence on the threats being waged against ALL conservatives & un-Vaxxed, etc.
(Thanks for standing strong on your observation & position and guts for saying what needed to be said)
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:21 pm to stout
I’ve recently been leaning more towards DeSantis.
I think I know why Trump is being so positive about the vaccine, but I don’t like it.
If the primary was today, I’d vote Desantis. That wasn’t the case a few months ago.
I think I know why Trump is being so positive about the vaccine, but I don’t like it.
If the primary was today, I’d vote Desantis. That wasn’t the case a few months ago.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:24 pm to Upperaltiger06
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According to the data there is absolutely a large protective effect. I understand folks don’t trust the data..
With all due respect my friend, I am NOT seeing your perspective and case as reality.
How can you trust "the data" when it and any debate and shared info has largely been restricted from the pubic eye since the beginning? (March 2020)
Due to the massive censorship and free-speech restrictions -- ESPECIALLY OF doctors / researchers / specialists, scientists) -- whatever info you may be accessing doesn't give a COMPLETE overview and analysis of the situation.
(Unlike Youtube, G00gles, YaHho, etal), some sources that have been allowing for sharing unfettered FREE SPEECH and FREE INFO and legit studies:
Bitchute
Odysee
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The problems I see is the utilization and push for the low risk to take something that the long term risks are unknown. It is criminal to be giving this shot to people under the age of 20 unless they have serious comorbidities...
There is no debating that for a healthy under-20 (even perhaps under 40/50 especially after safety data comes back...if its true). Healthy under 20s risk with covid is less than 1 in a million (according to oxford covid risk calculator) whereas the risk for serious adverse effects such as myocarditis is much higher.
Agreed, 200%, friend.
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The risk-reward of this shot is acceptable for a 79 year old with health problems. Many older conservatives I speak with have taken and are thankful for the shot. This is what Trump is speaking to.
I think the animus toward Trump's interview and position is more about the crucial issues related to the Vax that Trump did NOT address -- along with his non-defense of the un-vaxxed from Biden threats and war of words.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:24 pm to Aubie Spr96
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4D chess AMIRITE?
Unless you are total moron and didn't hear everyone say it would take 5yrs then I don't know what to tell you
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:25 pm to stout
No
No
Turn it off while you can.
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has his base turning on him
No
Turn it off while you can.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:30 pm to TigerInGrayton
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He gave the manufacturers immunity from liability regarding adverse reactions and deaths caused by the vaccine. Operation Ward Speed was by far the worst thing Trump ever did as president.
200%
Folks are also overlooking / forgotten Trump's odd surrender of power to FEMA in the Spring, 2020 and unprecedented, inexplicable crushing lock-down of Freedom & Economy via Statist overreach.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:33 pm to Liberator
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200%
Lol you would still be in lockdown if not for those vaccines
The fact you who seems to be very emotionally invested can't realize that is comical
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:36 pm to Liberator
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According to the data there is absolutely a large protective effect. I understand folks don’t trust the data..
With all due respect my friend, I am NOT seeing your perspective and case as reality.
I readily admit the data is not completely trustworthy, but I do believe there is some merit to it. I am greatly concerned at the suppression of data on the risk of the shot.
It’s likely it does good for some and harm to some. For me the risk of the virus is minuscule so I’m not taking the shot. If I was 85 I might be singing a different tune.
For all that I like about Trump, I know he’s not going to speak negatively about himself or anything he’s done.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:37 pm to SDVTiger
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I'm sure it turned some off but ppl need to realize if he didn't warp speed we would be locked down till 2024
Your personal theory or one that's been floated elsewhere?
Either way -- if you're saying Trump was *ordered* by someone up the PTB food-chain to implement 'WARP-SPEED' ASAP (over a "dangerous" virus with 99.6% survival rate), we're far more fricked than we thought.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:38 pm to Upperaltiger06
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For all that I like about Trump, I know he’s not going to speak negatively about himself or anything he’s done.
Are you saying Trump doesn’t have the ability to look back on things he’s done and criticize himself? Absolute BS.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:38 pm to Liberator
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Your personal theory or one that's been floated elsewhere?
It's what the media and fauci told you
Sorry you don't pay attention
But please continue your emotional melt
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