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re: Did anyone catch the Jon Stewart and Oreilly debate on white privilege?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:35 pm to Hawkeye95
Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:35 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:
btw - black privilege, hispanic privilege and asian privilege also exist.
Black privilege 100% exists. Without a doubt. I'm 5'7" and reasonably athletic looking (but mostly just skinny) and I've been chosen before better and more athletic white and asian people in pickup basketball solely because I'm black. I have no problem admitting that. I've had patients open up and tell me things they didn't tell my white classmates because they just felt more "comfortable" around me. I'd love to say that's all because of my great interview skills, but probably not. I know there are times simply being black helps. I know there are times it probably doesn't. It's okay. I don't pay it much attention or bitch about it, but, imo its there.
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 3:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
If you can't admit that an Indian with earrings probably doesn't have to worry about being labeled a "thug" to the same degree as a black guy then we probably are just never going to see eye to eye on this. Which is fine.
If you can't admit that an Indian with earrings probably doesn't have to worry about being labeled a "thug" to the same degree as a black guy then we probably are just never going to see eye to eye on this. Which is fine.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:09 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:
black privilege, hispanic privilege and asian privilege also exist
It isn't really racial at all.
I call it "who's running the show" privilege.
If you ask a Palestinian in Israel if there is Jew privilege, the answer is yes. That's because Jews are running the show over there.
If you ask a Christian or Jew in a Saudi Arabia if there is Muslim privilege, the answer is yes. That's because Muslims are running the show over there.
Ask a Muslim in India if there is Hindu privilege and . . .
well you get the idea.
Over here is just happens to be "white privilege" because that who's been running the show in the U.S. but really it could be any other race.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:56 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Nah.
Sometimes I wonder if they get judged like I would if I wore my earrings to a research meeting?
Presupposition would be that each of you was gay.
Why do you ask?
j/k
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:09 pm to TrueTiger
quote:Jews are running the show over there by law.
If you ask a Palestinian in Israel if there is Jew privilege, the answer is yes. That's because Jews are running the show over there.
quote:That's because Muslims are running the show over there by law.
If you ask a Christian or Jew in a Saudi Arabia if there is Muslim privilege, the answer is yes. That's because Muslims are running the show over there.
quote:
Over here is just happens to be "white privilege" because that who's been running the show in the U.S.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:30 pm to NC_Tigah
OK that's funny.
But I wrote who's been as in 'has been' as in 'until recently' running the show.
It takes a while for the privilege to die down once it's been there a couple hundred years.
But I wrote who's been as in 'has been' as in 'until recently' running the show.
It takes a while for the privilege to die down once it's been there a couple hundred years.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:42 pm to onmymedicalgrind
I would never wear my earrings at my hospital. Never.
I don't care what SFP or anyone else here says.
We get called a TPOS for earrings, they get called a wannabe TPOS for wearing earrings.
We all know which word thug has replaced
I don't care what SFP or anyone else here says.
We get called a TPOS for earrings, they get called a wannabe TPOS for wearing earrings.
We all know which word thug has replaced
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:50 pm to onmymedicalgrind
I know some people don't get this, but maybe you can relate, but there are some things I feel like I always have to give second thought to because of my color.
Like should I wear basketball shorts or sweatpants to go study? You would think that is trivial, but I stopped in my college bookstore because during undergrad because they thought I had stolen some textbooks. Never wore sweats in public after that
Also got stopped by campus police while I rode my bike to the library to return some book. This was during my sophomore year. I had basketball shorts on. Brothas dont read, so I must have stolen the books
Like should I wear basketball shorts or sweatpants to go study? You would think that is trivial, but I stopped in my college bookstore because during undergrad because they thought I had stolen some textbooks. Never wore sweats in public after that
Also got stopped by campus police while I rode my bike to the library to return some book. This was during my sophomore year. I had basketball shorts on. Brothas dont read, so I must have stolen the books
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:02 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
know some people don't get this, but maybe you can relate, but there are some things I feel like I always have to give second thought to because of my color.
Theres not a black person I know who can't relate to the statement, at least to some degree. I hate to invoke the "its hard to explain unless you've been in this position" but it has some merit here. Like I said, I'm well aware that there are times and situations where being black has benefited me. I don't apologize nor feel guilty for it--its not like I did anything wrong. But there are also times when being black might have been to my detriment. I don't cry about those times nor should white people have to feel guilty or responsible for it. It is what it is, but let's not be afraid to be honest about things.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:31 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
OK that's funny.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:35 pm to StrongSafety
quote:Uneffingbelievable!
I [got] stopped in my college bookstore because during undergrad because they thought I had stolen some textbooks.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:36 pm to NC_Tigah
everyone should go watch that stefan molyneux video
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:42 pm to monsterballads
quote:Got better shite to do than watch a literal insane person rant into his webcam for twice as long as the debate itself. It's not like Molyneux is ever particularly nuanced, so maybe boil it down to a paragraph or three?
everyone should go watch that stefan molyneux video
Youtube replacing the written word is bad enough, but when all people do is talk to the camera such that the medium adds nothing, that's just lazy. At least Stewart and O-Rly can entertain.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:45 pm to Iosh
because THAT'S what it's about entertaining you
not actual substance, but entertainment.
you don't want to be educated, you want a show
got it
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:49 pm to monsterballads
quote:Actually I want someone, anyone, to be able to fricking read. It's about brevity, not entertainment. The entertainment is a mitigating factor.
because THAT'S what it's about
entertaining you
not actual substance, but entertainment.
you don't want to be educated, you want a show
You did really bad on the "main idea" questions in school, huh?
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:55 pm to Iosh
some of us can sit down for 30 minutes and listen to an intelligent person speak.
some of us can't. i'll put you in the "can't" group.
what a shame
some of us can't. i'll put you in the "can't" group.
what a shame
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:04 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
If you can't admit that an Indian with earrings probably doesn't have to worry about being labeled a "thug" to the same degree as a black guy then we probably are just never going to see eye to eye on this.
The crux is it doesn't fricking matter. Using this definition privilege, then everyone has some kind of privilege, and if everyone has it then it's meaningless.
I can't put a Dale Earnhardt sticker on a pick up truck without being labeled a red neck because I am white. Woe is me.
Indians can't work at 7-11. Women can't be nurses.
I wear glasses and am in a science-heavy profession. God help me if I want to wear a pocket-protector.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:07 pm to monsterballads
quote:No idea what that is, but for a kid to get harassed for wearing sweats to the college bookstore is pathetic. No matter what race, it sucks.
everyone should go watch that stefan molyneux video
The equally sad part is that a teenage college kid would rarely have the wherewithal to insist on escorting the campus policeman to the Office of the Dean, and further "discuss" campus diversity there.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:25 pm to Tiguar
You say it doesn't matter, but that's understandable coming from a place where the rules of social acceptability and norm were formed to beneath you (assuming you are a white male) . It's just a fact of life.
What upsets onmymedicalgrind, myself and other high achieving minorities is that our success doesn't always equal equal treatment.
and what I mean is this--blacks have been told for hundreds of years that if they just assimilate, work hard, and essentially follow the majorities law of the land/behavior, that we will be granted colorblindness by whites.
Seriously this stuff dates back to slaves, and at every corner, whether it was Dred Scott, plessy vs ferguson, brown vs Topeka, etc, well to blacks, that had "followed" the rules were reminded that they are black and will not be seen as equals in the eyes of the majority.
For people that pride themselves in what they have achieved and built inspite of their unwanted social position (building this country), they see this as disheartening and hurtful.
When you've done all that was asked of you, that still isn't enlugh...then what?
What upsets onmymedicalgrind, myself and other high achieving minorities is that our success doesn't always equal equal treatment.
and what I mean is this--blacks have been told for hundreds of years that if they just assimilate, work hard, and essentially follow the majorities law of the land/behavior, that we will be granted colorblindness by whites.
Seriously this stuff dates back to slaves, and at every corner, whether it was Dred Scott, plessy vs ferguson, brown vs Topeka, etc, well to blacks, that had "followed" the rules were reminded that they are black and will not be seen as equals in the eyes of the majority.
For people that pride themselves in what they have achieved and built inspite of their unwanted social position (building this country), they see this as disheartening and hurtful.
When you've done all that was asked of you, that still isn't enlugh...then what?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 7:31 pm to monsterballads
Iosh is in a privileged group that eschews "oral culture" like the Irish or Africans.
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