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re: DHS plans on letting in 65,000 more H-2B visa migrants in 2025 to take American jobs

Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:15 pm to
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DHS plans
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:16 pm to
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I may be wrong, but I think most of these visas are being used for jobs that Americans refuse to do. Landscape work, farm work, etc.


Again, you are very wrong.These often include industrial jobs, also. People often refuse to do them because the working conditions are terrible, unsafe, slave like, and/or low pay. The labor industry needs to be managed like anything else. If its poorly managed, you have these problems.
Posted by LaMigra
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:17 pm to
Where’s that Trump meme

“You have to go back” insert
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:41 pm to
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Where’s that Trump meme

“You have to go back” insert


I doubt Trump will even fix this problem. The illegal migrant issue was just a diversion from the legal migrant issue. These construction offices will still be filled with migrants taking jobs that local Americans need to be trained for. People continue to claim Gen Z is lazy. Why don't we attempt to send them to vocational school, train them, and provide them with decent jobs with decent working conditions, instead of allowing multinational corporations change the demography of America, and giving these jobs to hispanic migrants? Louisiana won't even go up with the unemployment for temporary workers. It is at $275 a week versus well over $500 a week in Texas. Why would any locals want to choose a career like this that has constant layoffs, and poor working conditions? If we don't have local labor being hired to do the work, then why would we want the plants here at all, polluting the environment and causing cancer with their pollutants?
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 1:43 pm
Posted by LordSnow
Your Mom's House
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:44 pm to
I was under the impression that to hire H1B you have to demonstrate you cant fill that position with citizens. Is that not true?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:45 pm to
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The labor industry needs to be managed like anything else


By whom?
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:51 pm to
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By whom?


It the past (and throughout history), it was managed by labor unions. They kept conditions up to standard and kept workers trained. They don't do anything anymore. One thing is certain, letting in mobs of immigrants is unacceptable.

I know a recruiter at a local construction office that said he came in to work one day and there were 17 terminations (firings) on his desk. That doesn't sound like they are even attempting to train locals. If the plants don't want to hire locals, then they need to go elsewhere. We don't want their pollution!
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:55 pm to
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I was under the impression that to hire H1B you have to demonstrate you cant fill that position with citizens. Is that not true?


That is total bullshite. Anything that becomes law is going to be misused by big business. They will find every loophole and exploit everyone and everything, and they pay lawyers big money to do this. That is why the legislature needs to endlessly update their laws, which they have stopped doing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:59 pm to
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It the past (and throughout history), it was managed by labor unions.


Jesus..

We've gone from about a 30% rate of unionization to about 14%.

Unions never decided wages for most workers.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 2:03 pm
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:03 pm to
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Jesus..We've gone from about a 30% rate of unionization to about 14%.

Unions never decided wages for most workers.


I don't know how this is humorous. Strong trade unions exist all across Europe and Canada. Americans have just been brainwashed/indoctrinated to think differently.

American Unions have been corrupted by corporations and union busters. It has even been infiltrated by the FBI in the past. That could probably explain alot.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:57 pm to
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Over two-thirds of people covered by a union contract are women and/or a person of color. Almost four in ten are AA, Hispanic, Asian/PI or other non-white.

Good effort, though.


This all depends on the union and skilled or unskilled labor. If you walk into any hiring office today, you will see a line of Hispanic being hired in, but when you get to the window they will say we aren't hiring...Or we are hiring by "requisition only", which means if you aint kin to someone you can't get hired.

In the past, any person seeking to learn a trade could go to vocational school for very cheap. The plants and/or contractor would sponsor them. Today they don't do that much anymore. It may cost over $17,000 to learn a craft, and there is no guarantee that you will be able to find a job afterwards because of the influx of immigrants being brought in to replace them. Why should business sponsor or help pay for this training when they can bring in bring in people from South America that may already have the training or experience, and then get rid of them afterwards? This is basically taking money out of Louisiana and sending it overseas, because of the state government's loyalty to the multinational corporations. That's why people here stay poor and without an occupation. Yet, they are duped by the republicans to believe that it is "illegal immigrants" doing this, as a smokescreen to protect the H-2b migrants.

Then you have this other guy that gets the job because he is kin to a supervisor, so he needs no training to get a good job.

I honestly can't understand why whites aren't taking a knee for the national anthem at sports games. It keeps getting worse. Why would anyone be fooled into fighting a war for this? I'm beginning to wonder who I hate the most...Republicans or whiny liberals, because they are both clueless.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:00 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:07 pm to
Strong trade unions exist all across Europe and Canada.

What’s the average total comp of those unions versus the US?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128846 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:09 pm to
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Yet, they are duped by the republicans to believe that it is "illegal immigrants" doing this, as a smokescreen to protect the H-2b migrants.


You’re being duped if you think it’s solely an H2B issue driving the issue.
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:28 pm to
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Strong trade unions exist all across Europe and Canada.

What’s the average total comp of those unions versus the US?


I can see that you are one of those people that has already made up your mind and nothing is going to change it. Everything republican is going to save America and everything democrat is going to destroy it, which is total bullshite. They are two sides of the same coin with the same people controlling both fricking parties. No republican in the past has changed anything in America, including Trump. Electing a republican or democrat will change about as much as particular football team defeating a different football team. You (and all Trump fans) are about as intelligent as those people that get overly excited at a football game when their team wins, and tears down the goal post.

It's much more than the total comp. It's also the working conditions and training.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:31 pm
Posted by Dex Morgan
Member since Nov 2022
3227 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:33 pm to
Except when they close the facility and move the jobs out of the US all together. Unions are detrimental as a whole. A good example is the railroad unions even required lookouts for "combative Native Americans" into the 1980s. Airline pilot unions are another awful entity. They even protect pilots that show up to work intoxicated. Back in the 1960s, the United Airlines pilot union demanded three cockpit crew members on aircraft that only required two pilots. They produce nothing but waste.
Posted by wareagle7298
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2013
3667 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:37 pm to
65000 minus 20 million = -19935000

Not a bad trade off
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:42 pm to
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I was under the impression that to hire H1B you have to demonstrate you can't fill that position with citizens. Is that not true?


Evidently not, if I walk into a construction office countless times and I can't get hired, when a long line of hispanics are getting hired in.

People that work in IT also are experiencing the same thing with Indians.
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:44 pm to
Nobody has a clue about what you posted.
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:53 pm to
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Except when they close the facility and move the jobs out of the US all together. Unions are detrimental as a whole. A good example is the railroad unions even required lookouts for "combative Native Americans" into the 1980s. Airline pilot unions are another awful entity. They even protect pilots that show up to work intoxicated. Back in the 1960s, the United Airlines pilot union demanded three cockpit crew members on aircraft that only required two pilots. They produce nothing but waste.


Your fricking post is horseshite. You provide isolated incidents that probably came from union busters' propaganda. There are more stories that you will never here about non union people being killed on the job because they were forced to do unsafe acts....Or they polluted the environment because they were forced to , yada, yada, yada. In fact, I've seen this with my own eyes.

Its all what you choose to believe based on what your agenda is. My agenda is not to have multinational corporations frick over Louisianians.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:57 pm
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13260 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:55 pm to
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[quote]Strong trade unions exist all across Europe and Canada

It's bad enough you want us to be like Canada and Europe but then...
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You (and all Trump fans) are about as intelligent as


Take your sorry arse back to whatever hole you've been hiding in for years...like the DU or Bluesky.
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