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re: Detroit archbishop lauds opening of new mosque
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:10 am to Mellow Drama
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:10 am to Mellow Drama
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. Prohibits the worship of any deity other than the one true God.
These woke priests need to relearn the 10 commandments.
These woke priests need to relearn the 10 commandments.
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:10 am to AwesomeSauce
I mentioned three particular traditions of the ancient Hebrews.
Yes or no - did Jesus want us to continue these traditions?
If so, then Jesus did not abolish all of the traditions of the ancient Hebrews, and it follows that these retained traditions are part of what Jesus wants us to follow.
Do we agree on this or not?
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:21 am to Champagne
quote:How?!
You are being evasive now.
quote:You mentioned three commands from God that are part of His inspired Word that Jesus confirms as being core commands. That is not the same as traditions.
I mentioned three traditions of the ancient Hebrews.
I think what we have is a general misunderstanding or different view on what are traditions and what are commands. In my view and in the view of many of those I have studied the Word with, there is an inherent different between religious traditions and commands. Commands are absolute, universal, and everlasting from God whether directly spoken or divinely inspired in the Word. Traditions are man-made practices and rituals that are often started to support the commands. The issue in some churches today and in the Hebrew faith in Jesus' time were the traditions were embraced to being on par with the commands often even done so in a way that is against the intent of the commands. The larger issue with that is that tradition evolves and is often added to. When we put emphasis on the tradition and place it on the same plane as the commands that is when a church becomes more about itself and it's traditions than about Christ. Especially as more laws and rituals are added to the traditions that are not supported by the Word.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:24 am to AwesomeSauce
The traditions that Jesus Christ retains are not only ancient Hebrew traditions but they are also Commands from God, not only then, but also now in the New Covenant.
So, we agree that these three traditions/Commands from God are now also part of the New Covenant?
We agree that the dietary Commands from God are those that Jesus abolished.
I don't agree with your notion that I misunderstand something. I'm trying to reach an agreement with you on some specific proposals that I've listed.
So, we agree that these three traditions/Commands from God are now also part of the New Covenant?
We agree that the dietary Commands from God are those that Jesus abolished.
I don't agree with your notion that I misunderstand something. I'm trying to reach an agreement with you on some specific proposals that I've listed.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:30 am to Champagne
quote:I have not once argued they were not. I have only argued that you are conflating traditions with commands, and that when that is done there is an issue. Jesus taught often about putting traditions (traditions of the elders) on the same plane as commands (divine law). Divine law and commands from God and re-affirmed by Christ during His ministry are not one and the same with tradition. One has far more gravitas than the other, or at least should. I have issue with ascribing the lesser term to the greater Author.
So, we agree that these three traditions/Commands from God are now also part of the New Covenant?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:36 am to AwesomeSauce
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I have only argued that you are conflating traditions with commands
Yes, we all must be careful about that.
If God establishes a Tradition, then, it's also a Command. It is both, then, correct?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:40 am to Champagne
quote:God makes commands. Men make traditions. I understand what you are saying. I just believe there has to be a hard-line to differentiate between the two and to save the Church from going down the same trap that befell the Hebrews. By calling one commands and the other traditions we can differentiate the author, thus defining the weight.
If God establishes a Tradition, then, it's also a Command. It is both, then, correct?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:46 am to AwesomeSauce
I get what you are saying. If what some might call a "tradition" is not man-made but rather given to Man by Almighty God, then it's a Command and not actually a tradition.
Do we agree on this?
I agree with you that we must discern between a man made tradition and God's Command.
Do we agree that:
If what some might call a "tradition" is not man-made but rather given to Man by Almighty God, then it's a Command and not actually a tradition.
Do we agree on this?
quote:
I just believe there has to be a hard-line to differentiate between the two
I agree with you that we must discern between a man made tradition and God's Command.
Do we agree that:
If what some might call a "tradition" is not man-made but rather given to Man by Almighty God, then it's a Command and not actually a tradition.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:55 am to Champagne
quote:Yes.
I get what you are saying. If what some might call a "tradition" is not man-made but rather given to Man by Almighty God, then it's a Command and not actually a tradition.
Do we agree on this?
As I said, I get what your are saying. I only caution that the teachings of Christ often times when confronted by the sadducees called out them conflating the two and teaching these to be of the same weight to the people. God's Word and Commands are the Faith and the core. Man's traditions are not inherently bad, but they are not the same, nor do they carry the same weight.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:58 am to AwesomeSauce
quote:
Yes.
Great. Yes, we agree.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:46 pm to Champagne
quote:
but I think
Thanks for your well-researched opinion.
The Bishop can't say anything nice about a Mosque without triggering the Roman Catholic Haters around here.
I am Catholic
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