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re: Detailed list of seized documents released
Posted on 9/2/22 at 11:58 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 9/2/22 at 11:58 am to Vacherie Saint
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whistle blower
I doubt there is one unless Trump leaked fake info. This was one of their talking points for about a day.
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Posted on 9/2/22 at 11:58 am to Shamoan
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look, he should have returned the empty folders. do you know how much folders are now? it could have been hundreds, if not thousands of pennies. they should throw him under the jail.
Special prosecutor!!!
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:00 pm to TheRouxGuru
apologies, yes, you only used the word sheep in your post...the rest of them are used often by others here.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:02 pm to Fells
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Dude removed the contents and did who knows what with them, leaving behind empty classified folders.
Aren’t these boxes’ contents supposed to be from them cleaning up the desk and whatnot on the way out of the Oval Office?
I imagine it’s quite possible the folders were empty upon clean up, with the documents destroyed or whatever they do with them.
It would be no surprise to have empty folders littering a work desk.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:03 pm to LEASTBAY
That's why the president does not have a security clearance
Milley disagrees
Milley disagrees
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:03 pm to heymama
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a bit concerning.
24 classified documents
but trump worshippers will focus on the empty folders that the documents used to be in.
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From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.
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As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.
FBI on Clinton email probe
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:04 pm to NoHoTiger
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You’re going to need to be more specific.
18 documents marked TOP SECRET
(information which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security)
51 documents marked SECRET
(information which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security)
29 documents marked CONFIDENTIAL
(which reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security)
10,741 government documents or photos without classification markings
48 empty folders with classified banners
42 folders labeled “return to staff secretary/military aide”
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:05 pm to Sasquatch Smash
They were in the office over the summer, as has been widely reported. Taking documents with them for the National Archives at the time. The empty folders were almost certainly left behind from that transfer.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:05 pm to davyjones
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Has anyone even attempted to refute that
Literally everyone. He did have the power to declassify documents. But there is a formal process that he did not go through. He can't just Michael Scott it to the wind, it's a process that involves the relevant agencies, hence why NARA and the FBI have been trying to get him to return these for over a year.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:08 pm to Fells
And what would that formal process consist of?? Because of what I’ve found there is no formal process.
This post was edited on 9/2/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:08 pm to teke184
The comments in Mediate are freaking out that Trump gave the docs from the empty folders to Saudi Arabia, etc.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:10 pm to Fells
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Literally everyone. He did have the power to declassify documents. But there is a formal process that he did not go through. He can't just Michael Scott it to the wind, it's a process that involves the relevant agencies, hence why NARA and the FBI have been trying to get him to return these for over a year.
This isnt correct. The feds left MAL over the summer after reviewing these documents and taking several boxes with them at the time. As a counter-example, Obama is in possession of over 30MM documents taken from his outgoing administration. When pressed by NARA to provide these documents, his foundation promised to digitize them and turn them over electronically. Six years later, they have yet to do this. No raids for Big O though. Odd.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:11 pm to Fells
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quote:
Speculation
Well there were files in the folders, and now there are not. Not a whole lot of speculation needs to go into that. At some point, the files that he improperly took were removed from their folders while in his possession.
The obvious place to go with what was revealed is that there were once classified documents in those empty folders, trump or someone else took them out and did something with them, the FBI "raided" his house and found them. The folders are numbered so they will know soon what was supposed to be in them and what the history is. This is precisely why we have the system we have.
To say that he is just trolling people is a reach for sure.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:11 pm to davyjones
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And what would that formal process consist of?? Because of what I’ve found there is no formal process.
Because there isnt. And Trump stated publicly on several forums that he was declassifying documents throughout his term.
Edit: But even then, it is not uncommon for a former president, who still maintains the highest security clearances, to maintain documents under these classifications throughout this process with NARA.
This post was edited on 9/2/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:13 pm to Vacherie Saint
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As a counter-example, Obama is in possession of over 30MM documents taken from his outgoing administration. When pressed by NARA to provide these documents, his foundation promised to digitize them and turn them over electronically. Six years later, they have yet to do this. No raids for Big O though.
Literally untrue and NARA even put out a statement regarding it.
August 12, 2022, statement from NARA
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The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA). NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:13 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Y.A. Tittle
Well if any former president can legally be in possession of classified documents - we definitely have a shitty system and some serious national security risks.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:14 pm to Fells
Fells. If you were stealing, giving away, selling classified docs, wouldn't you think nobody would leave an empty folder laying around.
Do you really think after committing treasonous crimes with Top Secret docs, that they would dispose of the folders?
Geez people are idiots.
Do you really think after committing treasonous crimes with Top Secret docs, that they would dispose of the folders?
Geez people are idiots.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:17 pm to FutureMikeVIII
18 documents marked TOP SECRET
(information which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security)
51 documents marked SECRET
(information which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security)
29 documents marked CONFIDENTIAL
(which reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security)
10,741 government documents or photos without classification markings
48 empty folders with classified banners
42 folders labeled “return to staff secretary/military aide”
(information which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security)
51 documents marked SECRET
(information which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security)
29 documents marked CONFIDENTIAL
(which reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security)
10,741 government documents or photos without classification markings
48 empty folders with classified banners
42 folders labeled “return to staff secretary/military aide”
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:18 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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How so? Have you ever had any "concern" previously as to whether Clinton, Bush, or Obama still had any "classified documents" in their possession? Had you ever even thought about it for a second? Why not?
A lot of people don't understand what can be classified.
motorcade routes
list of places that cater food
menus
schedules
a lot of normal everyday stuff that may never get "declassified" but is still no longer classified.
Anyone who served in the Naval Nuclear Program has service records classified at a higher level than anything the FBI recovered from that room. At one point or another those service records are eyes only.
Posted on 9/2/22 at 12:20 pm to Fells
That doesn’t speak to any formal process for declassifying documents which again as I understand it has no such process per SC jurisprudence. Which NARA certainly does not trump. Furthermore the President is allowed “space” to make his official determinations as to what’s Presidential records and what’s personal records. The Presidential stack then goes to the archives. Which leaves the DOJ with the measly argument of whether Trump got them to the archives quickly enough for their taste, as well as the weak storage argument.
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