re: Dershowitz is Killing It

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Abuse of power. Trump abiused his office for personal gain and against the interests of the people. That is a high crime.

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You didn’t listen to the Harvard Law professor today, did you? He explained exactly why “abuse of power” was not allowed to be a reason for impeachment. He also explained exactly what high crime meant and why they used the word “and”.

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And in the process he violated the Impoundment Control Act by Withholding funds from Ukraine

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Read through it again. There was no fiscal payment date for this funding. It was to be allocated in FY19, which it was. The President has the right to review all foreign aid, and canals for a delay past payment date, by using the ICA, which doesn’t apply here since the payments were made in FY19.....

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He committed a crime

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He committed a crime?? --- A crime so severe as to not be named in either article.
You'll recall the House considered actually citing a specific Federal crime (e.g., bribery).
They rejected that consideration.

Why?
Because there was no bribery.
There was no specific crime.

What we have in this case is a POTUS who is consistent in policy.
He scrutinizes US foreign aid. Just as he scrutinized the Ukrainian aid. Instead of his Ukrainian aid qualms being held in that context, TDS warps Trump detractor arguments into sole motivations of Trump's personal gain.

Thought police claim Ukraine was unique, and somehow an exception to policy.
They claim it deviated from every other instance of this administration's foreign policy. Here, despite Ukraine's reputation as one of the planet's most corrupt countries, the POTUS suddenly and inexplicably had no concerns about general Ukrainian corruption in forwarding aid.

Instead, the TDS argument asserts Trump's Ukrainian aid ignored all other corruption. It ignored principles of equitable allied contribution. It simply leveraged a single investigation of an over-the-hill political opponent for Trump's personal gain .... AND this was done in a RECORDED environment WITNESSED by scores of individuals.

No rationale person could actually believe that.

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It was surreal to watch an actual law professor say something so demonstrably false and clearly dumb

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So I take it that you're a constitutional lawyer critiquing another constitutional lawyer? If you're not then what makes you an authority on the subject?

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The comment he made was in response to an inaccurate assessment about what Dersh said.

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Uh huh.

Would you like to guess who said this on the Senate floor yesterday:

"Purely non-criminal conduct, including ‘abuse of power’ and ‘obstruction of justice,’ are outside the range of impeachable offences. That is the key argument I am presenting today.”

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It was surreal to watch an actual law professor say something so demonstrably false and clearly dumb

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Perhaps you should have listened more closely.
AD argued THERE MUST BE A CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR!
He did not argue that each individual article reflect a crime.
He said the actual crime, e.g. suborning perjury, could form a foundational pillar for elements supporting removal, such as abuse of power.

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Perhaps you should have listened more closely.
AD argued THERE MUST BE A CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR!
He did not argue that each individual article reflect a crime.
He said the actual crime, e.g. suborning perjury, could form a foundational pillar for elements supporting removal, such as abuse of power.

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wait.

Hold on.

Quick question...

you people do understand that abuse of power and obstruction of Congress are both crimes, right?

Theyre actual crimes. Both of them.

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Really disappointing by FOX. THIS is historical.

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I really don't know why anyone would want to follow this impeachment filtered through someone's "Opinion" of what was said. All the major networks including OAN are entertainment and designed to mold your thinking.

Cspan is the only place you can hear the words of the important players in this thing without someone telling you what you should think about what you just heard.

Far too often today the viewer is not looking for the truth, they are looking for reinforcement of their preconceived notions. ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, MSNBC and even OAN know this.

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wait.

Hold on.

Quick question...

you people do understand that abuse of power and obstruction of Congress are both crimes, right?

Theyre actual crimes. Both of them

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I honestly thought it would take you a little bit longer to show your true ignorance and completely ruin your argument. Not sure why I thought that after your original TDS spewing of MSNPC talking points....but damn you went off script. The script is that they aren’t judicial crimes, they are high crimes...

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I see now why liberals are so dumb when debating. They lack logical thought processes.

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Libs are all emotion. No logic required nor wanted.

The President of the United States is subject to the criminal code of the State of Maryland?

Interesting.

I assume your nonresponse means you cannot cite the US Code provisions.