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Der Spiegel visited Bucha: single bullets to the heads (long)
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:29 pm
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Der Spiegel has been reticent to take sides in the Russia/Ukraine military engagement.
The linked article is the result of their sending reporters to Bucha to (duh) report on what is there now and what can be learned from it.
The survivors they talked to , the hundreds of bodies with single bullet wounds to their heads, the civilians killed by sniper fire (exit wounds are massive), the woman who came back to find her three bodies in her front yard: her husband, her brother and a stranger. Neighbors told her the stranger was shot because he came out on the street to get a better cell phone signal. The Russians distrusted anyone with a cell phone.
And then there's the Russian commewnt:
Irina, wearing a black jacket, with a neighbor and the body is Irina's husband, a civilian in their front yard.
Der Spiegel has been reticent to take sides in the Russia/Ukraine military engagement.
The linked article is the result of their sending reporters to Bucha to (duh) report on what is there now and what can be learned from it.
The survivors they talked to , the hundreds of bodies with single bullet wounds to their heads, the civilians killed by sniper fire (exit wounds are massive), the woman who came back to find her three bodies in her front yard: her husband, her brother and a stranger. Neighbors told her the stranger was shot because he came out on the street to get a better cell phone signal. The Russians distrusted anyone with a cell phone.
And then there's the Russian commewnt:
quote:
Russia has rejected all responsibility for the death of Bucha citizens. "The whole situation in Bucha is a well-staged insinuation, nothing else," Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov claimed this week.
Irina, wearing a black jacket, with a neighbor and the body is Irina's husband, a civilian in their front yard.
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:35 pm to real turf fan
Tragic, but didn't Zelensky make any male 16-60 a combatant?
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:38 pm to real turf fan
It’s war. I hate to say it but unless you surrender it’s not going to be a good day. There isn’t neutral party in the country.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:47 pm to real turf fan
"The whole situation in Bucha is a well-staged insinuation, nothing else," Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov claimed this week.
With the consistent false statements by Western media, I'm inclined to believe Putin. I don't know if I've heard a true narrative from the West that was confirmed, Ghosts of Kiev, Snake Island, Russian's torturing POWs, Train Station missile, etc.
What I've seen confirmed to the contrary is Azov Battalion torturing Donbass residents and Russian POWs, Ukranian designations on train station missile/bombs.
With the consistent false statements by Western media, I'm inclined to believe Putin. I don't know if I've heard a true narrative from the West that was confirmed, Ghosts of Kiev, Snake Island, Russian's torturing POWs, Train Station missile, etc.
What I've seen confirmed to the contrary is Azov Battalion torturing Donbass residents and Russian POWs, Ukranian designations on train station missile/bombs.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:48 pm to real turf fan
Der Spiegel totally not unhinged or insanely left wing...
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:49 pm to real turf fan
Don't even care
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:50 pm to aubie101
quote:
Tragic, but didn't Zelensky make any male 16-60 a combatant?
Wow that’s another level of Russian apologist
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:55 pm to tiger1014
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Wow that’s another level of Russian apologist
What did I say that was wrong?
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:56 pm to real turf fan
The world snickered at videos where a Ukrainian woman berated Russian soldiers in the street or a guy in a car offered to give a Russian tank crew a ride back to Russia but this is the reality of war. Civilians die.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:01 pm to BobABooey
I do not want to sound coldhearted in this because human life matters. But decisions by leaders on all sides are killing people needlessly. I refuse to say one side is evil, and the other good. Because I really do not see it. I just wish innocent people would not pay the price for moronic leadership.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:09 pm to BobABooey
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this is the reality of war. Civilians die.
You know, while this is true, you are missing the whole fricking point.
This is not supposed to be total war. There hasn't been total war in a long time.
But shooting random civilians or rapping and killing random women they come across is another level.
Russia wants to say they are fighting a war to free people. If they were trying to limit collateral damage, that lie could be broadcast.
When they drive down the street shooting random people in their yard or gathering up all men and shooting them, it's a different story.
Jesus, I'm as fricking right wing as they get but Putin is a fricking dick. And the Russian military is a second rate organization filled with bullies at best and more likely murderers and rapists. So frick them as well.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:12 pm to thetempleowl
Not a left vs. right issue for me. Both sides have committed atrocities and if you cannot see that than you are biased. Both sides have plenty of evil. I am not rooting for Putin, I just do not want to be involved in this proxy war.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:14 pm to real turf fan
Tragic.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:15 pm to aubie101
quote:My position.
I am not rooting for Putin, I just do not want to be involved in this proxy war.
We have no national interest in this regional conflict.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:15 pm to aubie101
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Both sides have committed atrocities and if you cannot see that than you are biased. Both sides have plenty of evil. I am not rooting for Putin, I just do not want to be involved in this proxy war.
No one disagrees with this but man frick the Russian apologists on this board....
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:18 pm to 14&Counting
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No one disagrees with this but man frick the Russian apologists on this board....
But much like labeling someone a homophobe, racist, you got to define it clearly. Just because I do not lap up the mainstream anger does not make me a Russian supporter. I do not trust our government, I do not trust Russia, I do not trust Ukraine. So many bad actors at play here.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:19 pm to aubie101
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Not a left vs. right issue for me. Both sides have committed atrocities and if you cannot see that than you are biased. Both sides have plenty of evil. I am not rooting for Putin, I just do not want to be involved in this proxy war.
OK, let me break it down for you barney style...
You have bad and you have really bad. When those are your two choices you choose the bad.
Rarely when you vote do you actually vote for someone you like. You vote for someone less bad than the other.
Romney or Obama? There is no good guy. But there is a less bad one.
That is what the choices are here. It doesn't make it any less clear.
So frick, Ukraine is not some angelic place. But they are better than Putin.
Plus the enemy of my enemy is my friend type of thing.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:21 pm to thetempleowl
Let me break down to you retard style. I do not buy into your worldview where I have to chose evil. frick that. A little evil, is still evil. You are free to think that, but me not does not make me wrong. I take a thing called perspective taking to heart and roll with it.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:25 pm to aubie101
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I take a thing called perspective taking to heart and roll with it.
You are obviously incapable of true perspective
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:26 pm to 14&Counting
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You are obviously incapable of true perspective
No actually I am, unlike you I can think outside the mainstream thought. Wake up , I can look at it from both sides, then step back and view it through the lens of others.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 9:29 pm
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