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Dems secretly change Whistle Blower law from direct knowledge to accepting heresay
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:23 am
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:23 am
And we get 3 WB complaints in a week....who saw that coming?
Anonymous accuser citing anonymous sources with vague accusations using terms like "cause for concern".
The IRS WB complaint literally says he heard 2nd hand a Trump appointee might have interfered with Trumps audit. This would in fact be 3rd hand as he didn't say "the IRS agent told me Trump's appointee interfered with his audit"
If you read the Ukraine transcript and follow media reporting you realize this is the new game plan. Monkey's throwing shite, media towing the line.
Anonymous accuser citing anonymous sources with vague accusations using terms like "cause for concern".
The IRS WB complaint literally says he heard 2nd hand a Trump appointee might have interfered with Trumps audit. This would in fact be 3rd hand as he didn't say "the IRS agent told me Trump's appointee interfered with his audit"
If you read the Ukraine transcript and follow media reporting you realize this is the new game plan. Monkey's throwing shite, media towing the line.
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Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:46 am to WorkinDawg
Doesn’t this negate the entire spirit of the law?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:48 am to WorkinDawg
This is simply not true. Chuck Grassley came out this week and said there has never been a requirement in the whistleblower law that you must have first hand knowledge. He has been a big advocate of whistleblower protection for a long time.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:50 am to LSU2ALA
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This is simply not true. Chuck Grassley came out this week and said there has never been a requirement in the whistleblower law that you must have first hand knowledge. He has been a big advocate of whistleblower protection for a long time.
If you don't have to know what you're talking about, then the "whistleblower protection" is a farce that needs to be changed.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:52 am to LSU2ALA
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This is simply not true. Chuck Grassley came out this week and said there has never been a requirement in the whistleblower law that you must have first hand knowledge. He has been a big advocate of whistleblower protection for a long time.
Up until it was changed right before the Ukraine mess, to file an "urgent request" you most certainly had to have 1st hand knowledge.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:55 am to LSU2ALA
Why did the IG document say this prior?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:56 am to LSU2ALA
Grassley is on the take.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:58 am to LSU2ALA
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Chuck Grassley came out this week and said there has never been a requirement in the whistleblower law that you must have first hand knowledge
In that case, I heard Nancy Pelosi has been taking money under the table from federal contractors for years, and Schiff is notorious for making unwanted sexual advances on his male Congressional pages.
I don't have to reveal my identity, and my charges must be investigated.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:13 am to WorkinDawg
Not to be overly technical, but IRS WB is not covered by the same WB law applicable to the Intel Community.
Not sure whether the IRS has its own WB act or not, but it won't be covered under the ICWBPA.
That being stated, while there is technically no first hand knowledge requirement,* first hand knowledge is extremely relevant in determining the WB's credibility. I have seen some cases where a WB cited some hearsay, but could corroborate it with first hand information and objective facts and documents.
Credibility is fundamentally rooted in reliability and truth, and is intertwined with bias. Here, a complaint that is based entirely on hearsay and double hearsay has demonstrated in real-time why hearsay that cannot be corroborated independently is inherently unreliable.
Now that the bias and other frickery has been exposed, this fricking complaint should have never seen the light of day from the ICIG, and the WB and his co-conspirators should be arrested.
What say you, Mr. Atkinson?
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*In the statute. The ICIG form clearly stated a longstanding policy and/or interpretation by the ICIG that 1st hand knowledge was required. The change to allow this specific complaint in, coupled with all the other shite we now know vis-a-vis Schitts coordination, reaks of frickery.
Not sure whether the IRS has its own WB act or not, but it won't be covered under the ICWBPA.
That being stated, while there is technically no first hand knowledge requirement,* first hand knowledge is extremely relevant in determining the WB's credibility. I have seen some cases where a WB cited some hearsay, but could corroborate it with first hand information and objective facts and documents.
Credibility is fundamentally rooted in reliability and truth, and is intertwined with bias. Here, a complaint that is based entirely on hearsay and double hearsay has demonstrated in real-time why hearsay that cannot be corroborated independently is inherently unreliable.
Now that the bias and other frickery has been exposed, this fricking complaint should have never seen the light of day from the ICIG, and the WB and his co-conspirators should be arrested.
What say you, Mr. Atkinson?
ETA:
*In the statute. The ICIG form clearly stated a longstanding policy and/or interpretation by the ICIG that 1st hand knowledge was required. The change to allow this specific complaint in, coupled with all the other shite we now know vis-a-vis Schitts coordination, reaks of frickery.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 9:20 am
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:14 am to LSU2ALA
quote:Chuck Grassley is the new Jeff Sessions. I don't believe a word either of them says.
This is simply not true. Chuck Grassley came out this week and said there has never been a requirement in the whistleblower law that you must have first hand knowledge. He has been a big advocate of whistleblower protection for a long time.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:15 am to WorkinDawg
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Up until it was changed right before the Ukraine mess, to file an "urgent request" you most certainly had to have 1st hand knowledge.
I never said anything about urgent, but how does that change where we are? The urgency requirement simply puts time limits on how long the IG has to review and respond. It doesn’t change the protections afforded the whistleblower or what is done with the complaint.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:16 am to WorkinDawg
Didn’t John Brennan signal to his minions to start the complaints via Twitter recently?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:17 am to BACONisMEATcandy
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Why did the IG document say this prior?
That screenshot you posted has to do with whether or not a complaint is treated as urgent. Urgency puts time limits on how it is reviewed but all complaints are reviewed.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:21 am to LSU2ALA
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That screenshot you posted has to do with whether or not a complaint is treated as urgent. Urgency puts time limits on how it is reviewed but all complaints are reviewed.
And this one was deemed urgent. The rule was changed.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:33 am to LSU2ALA
quote:There has never been a requirement for first hand knowledge in the whistleblower complaint.
This is simply not true. Chuck Grassley came out this week and said there has never been a requirement in the whistleblower law that you must have first hand knowledge. He has been a big advocate of whistleblower protection for a long time.
HOWEVER . . .
There has ALWAYS been a requirement for first hand knowledge in whistleblower complaints transmitted to Congress.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:48 am to WorkinDawg
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Dems secretly change Whistle Blower law from direct knowledge to accepting heresay
Please stop lying
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