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Dems can't claim I G report exonerates FBI if Mueller didn't exonerste Trump
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:20 am
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:20 am
Democrats want to have it both ways but the IG report did not exonerate the FBI. It clearly established wrongdoing and has opened the door to future indictments from Durham and Barr.
To claim no political bias when their investigation was based on such a flimsy premise is ludicrous. Ther were many questions raised about the Clinton foreign connections, yet The FBI saw no cause to conduct s similar invesigation. That is clearly political bias. Since it has been established GPSaacted at the behest of the Clinton campaign and all the parties are connected it is irrefutable.
Phase 2 will be epic.
To claim no political bias when their investigation was based on such a flimsy premise is ludicrous. Ther were many questions raised about the Clinton foreign connections, yet The FBI saw no cause to conduct s similar invesigation. That is clearly political bias. Since it has been established GPSaacted at the behest of the Clinton campaign and all the parties are connected it is irrefutable.
Phase 2 will be epic.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 9:35 am
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:22 am to tigersbb
I’m thinking phase 2 will be a fizzle. Phase 3 will leave them hanging from the rafters. And bridges. And lamp posts. And trees.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:26 am to tigersbb
I can't possibly see an argument for how it exonerates the FBI.
They were guilty of either conducting a biased, politically-fed investigation or they are guilty of gross and systemic incompetence. It's probably both but there is no option for "none of the above".
Either way it helps create a case for dismantling the FBI and starting over from scratch.
They were guilty of either conducting a biased, politically-fed investigation or they are guilty of gross and systemic incompetence. It's probably both but there is no option for "none of the above".
Either way it helps create a case for dismantling the FBI and starting over from scratch.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:28 am to crewdepoo
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Trying to make a deal?
Pointing out obvious hypocrisy is "trying to make a deal"??
Whats the deal with that??
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:32 am to crewdepoo
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Trying to make a deal?
Not necessary.The IG report laid out multiple violations by the FBI which could have been criminal if Horowitz had the authority to bring the charges. There was no specific allegation o a single wrongdoing by Trump in the Mueller report.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 9:33 am
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:49 am to Bard
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Either way it helps create a case for dismantling the FBI and starting over from scratch.
A the very least those individuals who participaed need to be terminaed. Then strong indictments of everyone involved. Apply the same standards whichwer used against Manafort, Flynn and Papadoupoulous and let them twist in the wind.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:51 am to tigersbb
I scanned the IG report last night. They definitely stated that there was no political bias, yet at the same time they seem dumbfounded at how badly the FBI could frick up with the FISAs. It's because there was a POLITICAL BIAS! Their frick ups were intentional in order to get the FISAs. There is no other explanation.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:14 am to Langland
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They definitely stated that there was no political bias, yet at the same time they seem dumbfounded at how badly the FBI could frick up with the FISAs. It's because there was a POLITICAL BIAS
Under no other circumstance would tehy hae brought forth FISA applications with such a flimsy premise. Tie that in with the texts between Stroczk and Page. When Stroczk specifically says of Trump ' We'll stop him " nothing further is needed to establish clear political bias.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:19 am to tigersbb
quote:Mueller charged multiple people in Trump's campaign for a variety of charges. Further it indicted a ton of Russians. Mueller was never allowed to investigate Trump directly for anything. The only (10+) obstruction charges were because Trump was directly trying to obstruct Mueller.
Not necessary.The IG report laid out multiple violations by the FBI which could have been criminal if Horowitz had the authority to bring the charges. There was no specific allegation o a single wrongdoing by Trump in the Mueller report.
Meanwhile the IG report found no bias, and one poor sap who misclassified Carter Page. And the investigation into Carter Page started because he ran to Russian Intelligence officers to share info on a federal case he was a witness in.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:22 am to tigersbb
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:32 am to mmcgrath
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Mueller charged multiple people in Trump's campaign for a variety of charges. Further it indicted a ton of Russians.
None of it related to Trump or his campaign
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Mueller was never allowed to investigate Trump directly for anything.
And Horowitz was limited to the DOJ and had no prosecutoriala authority.
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the investigation into Carter Page started because he ran to Russian Intelligence officers to share info on a federal case he was a witness in.
Again, this was not related to Trump or his campaign.
Every campaign likely has individuals who have questionable dealing . Those should be dealt with with in the context of the individual , not create a back door into the campaign itself. Ther was your intent to influence aan election , not this garbage impeachment process.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:39 am to tigersbb
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Phase 2 will be epic.
If it is not then a cleansing will come in another format
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:41 am to teke184
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I’m thinking phase 2 will be a fizzle. Phase 3 will leave them hanging from the rafters. And bridges. And lamp posts. And trees.
Durham (phase 3) will be able to point back to what the FBI/DOJ did in horrowitz report (phase 2) to back up what he finds.
What really needs to happen is someone flipping.
But...I'm pretty sure the foreign countries involved have already admitted to what happened (Hence why Durham has gone back to Italy).
The MSM won't be able to spin someone or a country admitting to what happened. That's what we really need to happen!
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:41 am to tigersbb
quote:There was no backdoor into the campaign. IG report debunked that too.
Every campaign likely has individuals who have questionable dealing . Those should be dealt with with in the context of the individual , not create a back door into the campaign itself. Ther was your intent to influence aan election , not this garbage impeachment process.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:46 am to mmcgrath
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process.
There was no backdoor into the campaign. IG report debunked that too.
If so then on what basis was the Mueller investigation into Trump and Russia based?
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:49 am to Langland
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They definitely stated that there was no political bias, yet at the same time they seem dumbfounded at how badly the FBI could frick up with the FISAs. It's because there was a POLITICAL BIAS!
I've been thinking...how can they not find bias??
1. Horrowwitz is corrupt. well, that seems unlikely because he laid it all out in the report. He showed what he found.
2. He can't say bias unless someone admits it or he literally finds it written/emailed (I know, we've seen the texts). If this is the case...which I believe it is....then this rule needs to be changed.
But then again...the IG's purpose is to find wrongdoing in PROCESSES and he definitely did.
Anyway...he can only look into the FBI/DOJ....Durham is going to tie in Brennan/CIA and allies trying to set this up. Everything I knew about involving the FBI/DOJ was in Horrowitz Report. If horrowitz put it in there then Durham will definitely find what we already know.
Best thing going, Durham has a history of bringing down corrupt gov officials.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:50 am to mmcgrath
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Mueller charged multiple people in Trump's campaign for a variety of charges.
No charges related to conspiring with Russians to sway the 2016 election, which was what Mueller was appointed to investigate in the first place.
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Further it indicted a ton of Russians.
It indicted nameless, faceless people who will never come to the US, much less be extradited.
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Mueller was never allowed to investigate Trump directly for anything. The only (10+) obstruction charges were because Trump was directly trying to obstruct Mueller.
Because it was an investigation built on and perpetuated by successive illegitimate premises. The IG's report proves this beyond a shadow of doubt.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 10:55 am to boomtown143
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the texts). If this is the case...which I believe it is....then this rule needs to be changed.
if it can be inferred that Trump's request tot he Ukraine president was to dig up dirt on a political opponent there is no way it cannot be inferred there was intent by the FBI / DOJ to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign, ergo political bias. They didn't apply the same standards to Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:06 am to tigersbb
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If so then on what basis was the Mueller investigation into Trump and Russia based?
So, here's my thinking and I know I'm going to get crap for this but give this an honest thought.
Mueller didn't do anything in his investigation (you all saw him during his hearing. He sounded seanial and didnt know most of the answers.)
It was all Weissman and his crew. Now, Weissman (and 2 others on the special council) were involved in the beginning phases of passing around the Dossier. So Weissman and his crew were doing everything they could to try to "parallel construct" a russian crime to Trump. Weissman new the Dossier was crap....so they needed someone to flip (which they would force) or they prayed that they would find something damning.
Weissman and crew were there to try to set trump up, hide crap the FBI/DOJ did, probably got ride of evidence etc. (we know they knew within the first few months that the investigation was bogus based on the IG Report).
Think about this....seriously....
Durham told Horrowitz he didn't agree with his findings...that it was political.
He's been following the start of that Dossier..CIA/Brennan/Italy/England...He's going to keep investigating how the Dossier got around and who had their hands on it.
So...who is he going to run into?? Weissman and the 2 other special counsel lawyers.
BOOM.
Durham finds out that Special Counsel went on for so long because some of them were involved with passing the dossier around and they were trying to cover there tracks. BRINGS A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN>
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