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Debunk this liberal LIE: “The 2nd Amendment allows me to own WMD’s!”

Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:22 pm
Posted by thetigerman
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:22 pm
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Posted by rds dc
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:25 pm to
So you are saying Iraq did have WMDs?
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:26 pm to
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Debunk
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Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:27 pm to
I just want to live in a country where I don't have to worry about a man with a fully automatic grenade launcher to kill me and my community.
Posted by thetigerman
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:28 pm to
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Kafka

Oh man, someone else had a “Boy’s Life” sub
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:28 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted by funnystuff
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:29 pm to
At it’s core, the spirit of the second amendment is that you have the fundamental right to defend yourself. That you are not required to outsource your self preservation to government.

WMDs are fundamentally offensive weapons. If you are attacked and you drop a WMD on the attacker, you die right along side them. WMDs are not effective tools of self defense. Guns are. And we have the right to defend ourselves
Posted by thetigerman
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:32 pm to
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funnystuff

I agree. But some view it as “I have the right to own whatever weapons my government owns.” How do you resolve this?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:33 pm to
Define a weapon of mass destruction. Are we talking about owning a cannon or maybe an f 16 fighter jet? Perhaps a few ICBM’s? Not exactly cheap to own and operate any of those, even as a small country.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:35 pm to
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Oh man, someone else had a “Boy’s Life” sub 


Or chewed Bazooka Bubble Gum.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:36 pm to
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WMDs are fundamentally offensive weapons


There's that, but 'bearing' arms would pretty much mean they have to be man portable.
Posted by funnystuff
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:36 pm to
What do you mean ‘resolve’ it? People can disagree with me without there being any need to ‘fix’ their thinking.

I just disagree with them. And I attempt to convince people to agree with me. If I’m successful in convincing enough people to see the issue the same way I do, we’ll make laws that reflect it. If not, I move on with my life.

Maybe it’s just poor wording, but “resolving” differing opinions sounds pretty shady
Posted by TigernMS12
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:40 pm to
In Heller, even Scalia notes that the 2 is not an unlimited right, as no right is. It protects your right to own weapons that are “in common use for lawful purposes,” not those that are abnormal or especially dangerous (relatively speaking). Fact is that “assault weapons” are in common use and circulation and are used by many everyday for lawful purposes. Granades, nukes, etc are not, hence why you can’t walk into the local gun store and buy one.

The entire debate on guns, from both sides, would be much more productive if the conversation was constrained to the Courts interpretation of the 2A. It’s silly not to, but the vast majority of people probably couldn’t tell you the case name D.C. v. Heller, and of those that even know it I venture to say the vast majority have never actually read it.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 9:48 pm
Posted by BigAppleBucky
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:44 pm to
Depends on how one defines WMDs, doesn't it?

Common understanding of WMDs (nukes, poisons and biologicals) are weapons are not protected by the 2nd amandment.

If one means weapons that can kill, say, twenty people in a minute, than yes, the 2nd amendment might protect them, leastwise as it has been interpreted by the Supreme Court in recent decades.

Scalia said the "bear arms" part was relevant. Meaning that weapons that could be carried. But even though a stinger missle can be carried by a single person, I think he was against individual owership of those. Maybe because he liked to fly. I believe access to stingers has yet to be tested in court. Does the NRA have a position on them?
Posted by TigernMS12
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:46 pm to
I don’t think stinger missles are in common use/circulation for lawful purposes which is the test essentially outlined in Heller for what it/isn’t protected by the 2A
Posted by thetigerman
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:53 pm to
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What do you mean ‘resolve’ it?

Well, I mean c’mon man. Somebody’s gotta make the rules.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:58 pm to
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At it’s core, the spirit of the


As strict textualists, patriots,and small government conservatives, we don’t do the “spirit of” the amendments.

We transport ourselves back in to the minds of the Founders to ascertain exactly what they meant in their 18th century prescience based on the black and white words on the paper.

Please govern yourself accordingly from here on out.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 9:59 pm
Posted by TigernMS12
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:02 pm to
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Somebody’s gotta make the rules


The Court already has as I mentioned. Everyone just seems to gloss over that for some reason.
Posted by funnystuff
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:02 pm to
When I say “at its core, the spirit of”, I’m referencing the exact same thing you are. What was in the minds of the founders when they wrote the rules. I just used different words to (apparently unsuccessfully) communicate that perspective.
Posted by TigernMS12
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:04 pm to
I learn towards a textualist but I’m also not so rigid in my thinking to dismiss the fact that the world is different and society is different than it was back then and I’m that sense the constitution has to be a flexible document. That’s why we have SCOTUS.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 10:05 pm
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