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re: Dear Lord, the entire debate is who will raise taxes the most
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:48 pm to Rekrul
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:48 pm to Rekrul
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you’re obviously brainwashed wow
This is what I love about you guys on this board. I'm not a democrat and have never voted for a democrat... Just because I am willing to see both sides of issues and not just blindly hate everything a Dem says, and blindly love anything a Rep says you guys go nuts.
Both sides are allowed to be partially right and partially wrong, it's not a sporting event where you have to pick a side and hate the opponent...
I also love that he first critique whenever someone here doesn't agree is that the person is a moron, brainwashed, idiotic etc...
Didn't you guys learn how to debate? Name calling without discussion just makes you seem uninformed.
I don't like Elizabeth Warren, most of her ideas are unrealistic and silly. I didn't even openly agree with this plan of hers. I made one comment that the idea of a small tax raise on people who have over $50million could do some good without doing much harm if done the right way. I even stated that she's probably going too far with it!
Just calm down and be open to actually hearing issues and opinions, don't form one before you even listen, and don't go into politics like a sports fan, that's how you become a radical, and radicals are bad left and right.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 8:50 pm
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Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:50 pm to Tiger1242
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Who's talking about welfare? I'm talking about roads, schools, infrastructure, police, etc...
You're the only one. Everyone on that stage is arguing to increase federal taxes specifically to provide increased welfare.
I even stated earlier:
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I understand property taxes and to an extent sales taxes. People living in an area should fund governmental public goods for their area such as police, fire, education, etc... I even understand state taxes to a certain extent because we are a nation of states and we should support our own states.
You're either being obtuse in purpose or you're too ignorant to understand the conversation.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:52 pm to Rekrul
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Those are local and state issues, you seem to be confused because the OP is referencing federal taxes
Sorry I just listed a few basic examples. You do know that the Federal government gives money to states right?
In fact the federal government pays for about 8% of public school funding
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:52 pm to Tiger1242
You’re calling me uninformed when you just proved that you think federal tax is responsible for local schools, roads, and police?
Ok
Ok
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:56 pm to Tiger1242
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You do know that the Federal government gives money to states right?
It gives money to the states? Where did it get the money?
If I take $30 from you and then hand you back $10 would you say that I gave you $10? Or that I took from you $20?
Why does the federal government have to be the funnel for money?
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In fact the federal government pays for about 8% of public school funding
Public education in this country is a joke. And it being controlled by the federal government and its money is a major reason for that.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:57 pm to Rekrul
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You’re calling me uninformed when you just proved that you think federal tax is responsible for local schools, roads, and police?
Well I never said I was overly informed, just that I listen to both sides when they speak even if I usually agree with one side over the other.
Also the federal government does pay money into schools, police, and roads
Heres a LINK that has some info about Federal spending on infrastructure. Heres a quote
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The federal government is an active partner with states in building and maintaining infrastructure. States use federal grants to pay for some 28 percent of their infrastructure spending. The federal government provides grants for road and public transit projects, for utilities, and a host of other capital expenditures.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:58 pm to Tiger1242
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What's $1 per $100 after you already are worth $50 million? And it actually could do some good
Good?
What do you think the gov would do with that money?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:00 pm to Tiger1242
Heres another LINK about the Federal Governments role in education. And here's a quote
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Education is primarily a State and local responsibility in the United States. It is States and communities, as well as public and private organizations of all kinds, that establish schools and colleges, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation. The structure of education finance in America reflects this predominant State and local role. Of an estimated $1.15 trillion being spent nationwide on education at all levels for school year 2012-2013, a substantial majority will come from State, local, and private sources. This is especially true at the elementary and secondary level, where about 92 percent of the funds will come from non-Federal sources.
That means the Federal contribution to elementary and secondary education is about 8 percent, which includes funds not only from the Department of Education (ED) but also from other Federal agencies, such as the Department of Health and Human Services' Head Start program and the Department of Agriculture's School Lunch program.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:02 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Good?
What do you think the gov would do with that money?
Haha now this is the key right here isn't it... I said it COULD do some good, but I don't know if I believe that it would... Unfortunately most of our politicians are idiots and have no idea how to efficiently spend our money, Dem or Rep.
Show me the candidates that can make the government more efficient while also allowing it to do more to help the average person and the person who is struggling, those are the leaders I want. Not sure that person exists right now
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:03 pm to WorkinDawg
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who will raise taxes the most
The democrat will.
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who will raise the deficit the most
The democrat will.
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who will take away more of your freedoms
The democrat will.l
On and on...
- Captain Obvious
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:03 pm to Tiger1242
What are you even trying to argue?
Great. Figure out how much the federal government is giving each state and eliminate that amount from the federal budget and tax collection. Let the states collect it directly.
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This is especially true at the elementary and secondary level, where about 92 percent of the funds will come from non-Federal sources.
Great. Figure out how much the federal government is giving each state and eliminate that amount from the federal budget and tax collection. Let the states collect it directly.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:04 pm to Nguyener
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It gives money to the states? Where did it get the money?
From taxes
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If I take $30 from you and then hand you back $10 would you say that I gave you $10? Or that I took from you $20?
Why does the federal government have to be the funnel for money?
Again I get it, you are against taxes
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:04 pm to Tiger1242
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Tiger1242
Why would anyone support giving an inept, inefficient, wasteful government even more money is baffling.
We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:05 pm to Tiger1242
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Show me the candidates that can make the government more efficient while also allowing it to do more to help the average person and the person who is struggling,
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Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:05 pm to Tiger1242
So which is it?
Are you being purposefully obtuse or are you just too dumb to talk to?
Are you being purposefully obtuse or are you just too dumb to talk to?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:06 pm to Nguyener
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What are you even trying to argue?
I'm not trying to argue any point anymore. I was just pointing out that the Federal Government does, in fact, provide money to pay for schools, infrastructure, etc... that are considered "state" responsibilities
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:09 pm to CDawson
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Why would anyone support giving an inept, inefficient, wasteful government even more money is baffling.
We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
I agree our government has a huge inefficiency problem with our tax revenue. I don't think I would trust our government to spend more money any better.
My comment was that, on it's face, taxing $1 extra for every dollar an individual makes over $50million isn't an awful plan, I didn't comment on our governments ability to use that money correctly
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:10 pm to Tiger1242
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taxing $1 extra for every dollar an individual makes over $50million isn't an awful plan, I
Why $50 million? Where did that number come from and why is it a gold idea?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:11 pm to Nguyener
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So which is it?
Are you being purposefully obtuse or are you just too dumb to talk to?
Sigh, you've got to learn how to debate topics and opinions without resorting to name calling anyone discussing things you don't like, you'll have better results that way.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:14 pm to Nguyener
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Why $50 million? Where did that number come from and why is it a gold idea?
Well I don't know why that's the number but it seems reasonable. If you have $50million you can afford to pay $1 for every $100 you make in addition to that $50million without it impacting your life in a significant way.
And again IF the government could spend that money in a way that helps the country and the people, it seems like a good way to make the country better without making anybodies life significantly worse. I don't really have faith in the government to do that unfortunately
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