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re: CVS Sued: Nurse Practitioner Fired Refusing to Prescribe Birth Control

Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134050 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:22 pm to
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When someone uses this term, I always wonder whether they are referencing Laenas or Travis.


Same

I default to the latter. For obvious reasons lol
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
44058 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:27 pm to
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Here's where small government conservatives want the government to protect an employee of a private company unwilling to fulfill their job responsibilities.

Why the hypocrisy?

"Religious Beliefs"

Oh that's why.
An employee who gets a customer what they need is not unwilling to fulfill their job responsibilities, and even so, there are some job responsibilities that may require accommodation due to protected civil rights.

If you want to repeal laws like the Civil Rights Act, then go lobby for it, but arguing that selective discrimination is fine and that it is hypocritical to be against it as a "small government conservative" shows ignorance of what being a "small government conservative" actually is.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:28 pm to
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quote:

When someone uses this term, I always wonder whether they are referencing Laenas or Travis.
Same

I default to the latter. For obvious reasons lol
The funny thing is that people tend to use the term as "a line that they will NOT cross," and THINK they are referencing Travis.

In reality, Travis drew a line that he HOPED his men WOULD cross, and Laenas was basically threatening the Greek kinglet (I forget his name) that he better NOT cross the line.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44996 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:30 pm to
Y’all are gettin’ me proper spun up now.
My people …speaking my language ….
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29230 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:31 pm to
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If prescribing birth control goes against your faith, don't work in a job that expects you to prescribe birth control. It's really that simple.


This is true. If CVS wants to fire an employee for not doing what they're told to do, they should be able to fire them. She is not a slave. She chooses to work there. Find a place that aligns with your beliefs. Surely they're out there? Idk for sure.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:55 pm to
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An employee who gets a customer what they need is not unwilling to fulfill their job responsibilities


What?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
120538 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:13 pm to
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You don't get to gatekeep healthcare because of your feelings.


Orthodox Christians need not apply for healthcare positions.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
44058 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:15 pm to
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What?
From the OP, it seems the nurse never prevented a customer from getting what they wanted. She just didn't do it, herself, but had someone else help or provide information on where to get what they wanted.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
22973 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:15 pm to
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Why can’t this allegedly aggrieved patient go elsewhere to obtain birth control?



Or keep her legs closed, or make the dude wear a condom?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:20 pm to
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Why can’t this allegedly aggrieved patient go elsewhere to obtain birth control?
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Or keep her legs closed, or make the dude wear a condom?

Hell, she should go join a nunnery, if it will make life better for this CVS employee.

God knows, the priority of health care should be the happiness of the workers, rather than the needs of the patients.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 4:45 pm
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:38 pm to
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From the OP, it seems the nurse never prevented a customer from getting what they wanted. She just didn't do it


Is it one of her job responsibilities? She's not willing to do it? Bye.

This isn't difficult.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
120538 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:46 pm to
It’s never difficult for you figs until it’s a leftist losing their job. Then it’s muh civil rights.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35032 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:51 pm to
Now imagine...

...she's trans.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35032 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:52 pm to
Next, they'll want gay cakes.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28107 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:59 pm to
Is this the only CVS in town, and also the only way to get a prescription?

Seems like the folks that need it, should just shop elsewhere.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6530 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:09 pm to
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From the OP, it seems the nurse never prevented a customer from getting what they wanted. She just didn't do it, herself, but had someone else help or provide information on where to get what they wanted.



you can see where this may be an issue for cvs? instead of one nurse for the job they need the nurse and need someone else to help do the things the nurse refused to do.

even if no one was "prevented" from being serviced, people may have complained that it took 2 visits to do something that shouldve only taken 1. or decrease in business over delays while the nurse had to wait for someone to be available to help. CVS may also be liable in the event that the 'backup' for the nurse fell through.

Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6530 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:13 pm to
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s this the only CVS in town, and also the only way to get a prescription?

Seems like the folks that need it, should just shop elsewhere.


exactly. now say you are that CVS. how accomodating should you be with this employee given your sentiment that folks should just shop elsewhere.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
44058 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:16 pm to
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Is it one of her job responsibilities? She's not willing to do it? Bye.

This isn't difficult.
Nurse practitioners have a lot to do. This is just one of her responsibilities and it's not even an entire responsibility she's asking for an accommodation for. If she's an otherwise good worker, making an allowance for a conscience issue shouldn't be a problem at all, especially when it doesn't adversely affect the business. It's also likely a legal trap they are falling into by not accommodating.

This isn't difficult.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
44058 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:26 pm to
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you can see where this may be an issue for cvs? instead of one nurse for the job they need the nurse and need someone else to help do the things the nurse refused to do.
Seems to be extremely limited in the things the nurse was needing someone else to help with. It's not like she couldn't do her job at all, or even one of her responsibilities. It was part of one of her responsibilities, and it was a valid religious exception that is commonly held.

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even if no one was "prevented" from being serviced, people may have complained that it took 2 visits to do something that shouldve only taken 1. or decrease in business over delays while the nurse had to wait for someone to be available to help. CVS may also be liable in the event that the 'backup' for the nurse fell through.
Yep, it sounds like that could have resulted in an inconvenience at certain times. The story cited in the OP said that CVS had made such accommodations for years prior but recently changed their policy. It appears that it was something that CVS was willing to put up with until recently.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:53 pm to
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Seems like the folks that need it, should just shop elsewhere.


Solid business model.
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