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re: COVID-19 “Vaccine” Is Really A Dangerous Experimental Gene Therapy

Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:02 pm to
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36476 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:02 pm to
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they temporarily turn the body’s cells into tiny vaccine-making factories.



This is what a virus does. Except instead of just one part they manufacture the whole thing
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21411 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:02 pm to
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That's probably a fair point in the general sense. From what I've seen, however, there is far more evidence at this juncture to say it's "safe" than there is to say it's "dangerous" or injurious in any way.


This can get into semantics. The absolute definition of "safe" would be safe for everyone. The early trials have all indicated risks/issues with varying degrees of probabilities but there are definitely proven risks.

Take Pfizer and Moderna. They use polyethyleneglycol as an adjuvant. this is toxic. There are people who have PEG allergies. The vaccine is specifically not safe for these people and PEG isn't a well known allergy. Many people have the allergy but don't know it.

None of the vaccine sites in my area are doing the proper PEG allergy screening before giving the vaccine. I dont know how anyone could claim this is "safe." Is the risk low? Sure but it exists.
Posted by landmanner
Louisiana
Member since May 2006
3434 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:02 pm to
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I got the Moderna vaccine and now I get unlimited 5G.


Dont forget the free Krispy Kreme donut for a year!

ps...why am I not bribed with fried sugar covered dough when the flu shot is available?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21411 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:04 pm to
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This is what a virus does. Except instead of just one part they manufacture the whole thing


Well...viruses do change your genetic makeup....
Posted by Cossatotjoe
Member since Oct 2020
938 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:06 pm to
My wife had a pretty bad reaction to the Phizer vaccine. She, of course, was sick for about four days and spent most of the time in the bed. But it cause her face to swell up something huge. It looked like someone had slapped her around a bit.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78298 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:07 pm to
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False. Safety testing requires long term testing. This is classified as experimental, not "safe." There have been preliminary trials that did indeed show issues but the issues were considered a low enough % to be acceptable. That inherently means it isn't absolutely "safe."


FDA doesn’t test for absolutely safety and almost no drugs are “absolutely” safe.

Further the FDA does most of its long term research post-market in Phase IV trials.

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Who said it did?


Anyone calling it Gene Therapy.

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Your genetic makeup isn't just DNA. mRNA turns your cells into factories for spike protein. Do you know how that cellular instruction set is altered to accomplish this?


MRNA stems from Your DNA. It’s copies from your DNA. If you’re not altering that you’re not alter ing your genetic makeup. Your introducing mRNA that come and go.

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Again, I think you need to read up more on mRNA, RNA, DNA, genetic makeup, cellular instruction sets, etc.


I’ve have taken upper class level college courses on it. I understand it perfectly well.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21411 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:10 pm to
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Anyone calling it Gene Therapy.


You really need to learn what gene therapy is, DNA, RNA, mRNA, etc.
Posted by IceFrogBC
Member since Jan 2021
175 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:11 pm to
"The FDA granted EUAs (Emergency Use Authorization) for all three experimental vaccines after less than five months of clinical trials, with most of trial data still to be collected. All three vaccines will be in clinical trial status through January 31, 2023.

According to comments from vaccine scientists in September 2020 (prior to the Covid-19 EUA issuances), no vaccine had ever before been distributed on an EUA basis.

“We don’t do EUAs for vaccines,” [Dr. Peter] Hotez said, “It’s a lesser review, it’s a lower-quality review, and when you’re talking about vaccinating a large chunk of the American population, that’s not acceptable.”

Three months later, the FDA issued EUAs for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, but with explicit guidance that the vaccine “has not undergone the same type of review as an FDA- approved or cleared product.”

Indeed, the highly experimental nature of the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine, in particular, is extraordinary as that vaccine is the first and only product the company has ever been allowed to distribute, and it was allegedly developed in two days."

LINK

Guinea Pigs!
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78298 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:11 pm to
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You really need to learn what gene therapy is, DNA, RNA, mRNA, etc.


Please define “Gene therapy”

Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19267 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:12 pm to
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The results from the NVAX tests are better than the field but it has been suppressed because it isn't one of the huge Pharma companies that WHO,CDC, NIH or the media supported.


No. The Novavax vaccine is still in clinical trials. It is not being suppressed. The government has already entered agreements with them to purchase millions of doses if their trials are successful.

Unfortunately by that time most people who will take a vaccine will have been vaccinated. I suspect their market will be in foreign countries.
Posted by IceFrogBC
Member since Jan 2021
175 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:14 pm to
They're all still in clinical trials until 2023.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21411 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:16 pm to
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Please define “Gene therapy”


Start with defining mRNA. mRNA contains copies of "genes" which have been transcribed.

Your genetic makeup is anything containing genes which are being expressed within the body.
Posted by Cossatotjoe
Member since Oct 2020
938 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:18 pm to
It doesn’t really matter what the genes are. We share an amazing amount of genes with almost all animals, even trees. What actually matters is how those genes are utilized and how they are expressed.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78298 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:24 pm to
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Your genetic makeup is anything containing genes which are being expressed within the body.


I would like to know where you got this definition. And the. I would also ask, how you can consider something that my cell didn’t produce and won’t produce in the future part of my cells genetic makeup?

The mRNA in the vaccine are temporary. Your DNA and genes remain unaltered.

Your whole argument is very pedantic and centered around some soft terms.

This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
12900 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:41 pm to
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While I question their effectiveness for Covid,


Cool

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masks and social distancing are excellent to limit the flu


Never caught the flu

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Basically methods I used during flu season for the last six years.


Really

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Only time I got the flu was when I went to a check up at the hospital and decided I didn't need my mask that visit.


Weak defenses because of wearing a mask and social distancing.

It's kinda like dumbing down the school system so everyone can pass but in the end, it's a failure.
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1641 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 2:08 pm to
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Your whole argument is very pedantic and centered around some soft terms.


I especially like their very strict definition of vaccine but insanely loose definition of gene therapy. It’s nonsense.
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10675 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 2:13 pm to
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The Johnson & Johnson shot is an old school vaccine.


The Johnson and Johnson vaccine comprises a live adenovirus vector carrying a synthetic novel strand of DNA. The virus infects your cells and inserts this novel DNA strand into the nucleus where it is eventually transcribed.

It's a DNA based vaccine that utilizes a live virus as a delivery modality.

Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 2:15 pm to
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Simply because a vaccine doesn't provide 100% immunity, doesn't mean it doesn't still stimulate an immune response in your body to provide a degree of immunity. The annual flu shot doesn't provide 100% immunity either


At my age and risk profile, getting the virus itself vs getting vaccine seems like a 50-50 proposition. I'll likely survive either way, but who knows what else accompanies the vaccines...
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100618 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 2:45 pm to
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Look up what happened to the test subjects of CoVid variant vaccines when later exposed to another mutated CoVid virus.


Exactly why I won’t get the shot. I read about that.

Imagine when the mutant strain gets around and vaccinated people start dropping left and right by the millions. They’ll blame it on the virus and go into full authoritarian lockdown.

Only good thing is only ones left alive will be us paranoid “conspiracy” theorists. And those behind this charade because they likely never really took the vaccine.
Posted by Yat27
Austin
Member since Nov 2010
8338 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:18 pm to
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Look up what happened to the test subjects of CoVid variant vaccines when later exposed to another mutated CoVid virus.



I would really appreciate if someone who disagrees that this is a genuine concern would address this, because I've seen this discussed before, and not just on the usual crackpot sites.

This is the exact reason that one of my family members doesn't want the vaccine.
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