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re: Coronavirus has now killed more Americans in 1 month than flu killed in entire year
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:56 pm to La Place Mike
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:56 pm to La Place Mike
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Coronavirus has infected, at least, 742,459 people in the United States. How is this known?
Probably from the 3.2M tests we’ve given.
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:57 pm to La Place Mike
quote:Because more than that many Americans have tested positive.quote:How is this known?
Coronavirus has infected, at least, 742,459 people in the United States.
Is this going to be contentious now, too?
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:57 pm to Grim
So it's killed 60-80 thousand Americans? And we don't have CLEAR evidence that they are cooking the numbers up? Have you noticed nobody is dying of anything else, all of a sudden?
Live in fear, and believe lies, at your own peril. Don't bring that crap in my face.
Live in fear, and believe lies, at your own peril. Don't bring that crap in my face.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 4/19/20 at 10:58 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:Nope, nobody has noticed that because it's not true. Fake news.
Have you noticed nobody is dying of anything else, all of a sudden?
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:01 pm to uppermidwestbama
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It is a flu, moron
The are about as closely related as cats and elephants.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:17 pm to Korkstand
where have all the heart attacks gone?
It is 100% true. I know nobody in the Last month who had a heart attack, the normal flu or a stroke...you? My hospitals are coding anything suspicious as Covid 19 until proven other wise. Fact.
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Nope, nobody has noticed that because it's not true. Fake news.
It is 100% true. I know nobody in the Last month who had a heart attack, the normal flu or a stroke...you? My hospitals are coding anything suspicious as Covid 19 until proven other wise. Fact.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:23 pm to Tigahs24Seven
quote:I only know one person who has had a heart attack in the last YEAR. I do know someone who had a stroke in the last month, which is actually more strokes than I've heard of in the last year. See how anecdotes work?
I know nobody in the Last month who had a heart attack, the normal flu or a stroke...you?
And flu season basically ended a month ago.
quote:If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
My hospitals are coding anything suspicious as Covid 19 until proven other wise. Fact.
But are you claiming that "your" hospitals are coding heart attacks and strokes as covid? Because that's what it sounds like.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:25 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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I know nobody in the Last month who had a heart attack, the normal flu or a stroke...you?
Yeah. A local nursing home had a dozen patients with the flu. Good Ole plain ole flu. Took them a week to clear with the county. Then the Rona hit.
Weird how they were positive on the flu test. And then later on, different residents were positive for coronavirus.
Almost like they were testing them for different things and then they tested positive for completely different illnesses. And then they reported them to the county health department.
First we’re told that the models are way off and that there’s no way we will see hundreds of thousands dead. Then we’re told that they’re counting everything as Coronavirus.
If they were counting everything as Coronavirus, don’t you think we’d be closer to their models?
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:26 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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Five weeks into a nationwide coronavirus lockdown, many doctors believe the pandemic has produced a silent sub-epidemic of people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in. They include people with inflamed appendixes, infected gall bladders and bowel obstructions, and more ominously, chest pains and stroke symptoms, according to these physicians and early research.
I mean, that was one of the first sentences in the article you chose?
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:27 pm to Tigahs24Seven
quote:In the average month how many people do YOU KNOW who die of the normal flu, a heart attack, or a stroke? In fact, in a normal month how many people do you know who die?
I know nobody in the Last month who had a heart attack, the normal flu or a stroke...you?
You would have to know over 1,400 people who were representative of the entire population, to know 12 people (1 per month) to have died in a year.
I know of two (wife’s great uncle in an assisted living facility; friend’s brother in law in a Kroger parking lot) who have died of respiratory failures in the past month AND NEITHER’s death was attributed to COVID-19, despite both being unexpected.
And that includes the one who was healthy 28 year old who died in the Kroger parking lot after weeks of dealing with a respiratory illness that wasn’t diagnosed as anything specific.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:28 pm to the808bass
quote:That's what the whole article is about.quote:I mean, that was one of the first sentences in the article you chose?
people who need care at hospitals but dare not come in.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:34 pm to the808bass
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First we’re told that the models are way off and that there’s no way we will see hundreds of thousands dead. Then we’re told that they’re counting everything as Coronavirus.
If they were counting everything as Coronavirus, don’t you think we’d be closer to their models?
Because without them doing this, Coronavirus is killing next to no one.
And don't be so obtuse. You know full well no one is saying that LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE DEATH is being blamed on Covid. If they went that far, they wouldn't be able to fool anyone. You have to moderate deception, otherwise you aren't very deceptive.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:35 pm to TigerCruise
quote:They don’t “keep finding” anything close to that.
They keep doing antibody tests and keep finding 30%+ people have had the fricking thing.
And the antibody tests have a high false positive probability (due to the base rate), and the one used in the study linked is by far the most inaccurate test I’ve seen (about 10% positive and negative error rates).
And none of the studies have any generalizability to even their local populations (e.g., not random; recruit people more likely to infected; volunteers are even more likely to be infected than those recruited). And that study was done in an area that has a case rate 10 times the national average anyways, using a small sample.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:37 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:Except that’s not true, and excess mortality data indicate that death totals are UNDERESTIMATING COVID-19 deaths. When it’s all said and done, we’ll likely find 1.5 to 2 times as many people died than the official case confirmed deaths. And that’s even less than the 4X (20X globally) with H1N1.
Because without them doing this, Coronavirus is killing next to no one.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:38 pm to buckeye_vol
They recruited people who have had 1 symptom or less in the last 4 weeks, wtf are you talking about. You bury your head in the sand and wait for the all clear from the Karens of the world
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:42 pm to buckeye_vol
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death totals are UNDERESTIMATING COVID-19 deaths
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:44 pm to buckeye_vol
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Except that’s not true, and excess mortality data indicate that death totals are UNDERESTIMATING COVID-19 deaths. When it’s all said and done, we’ll likely find 1.5 to 2 times as many people died than the official case confirmed deaths. And that’s even less than the 4X (20X globally) with H1N1
There is no excess is mortality rates. That, alone, kills this ridiculous argument.
If what you just suggested were true, the hospitals would have ACTUALLY been overwhelmed, like we were assured they would be. But it never happened.
And yet, here you are telling us the death rate is UNDERESTIMATED. I can't take you seriously with that kind of logic.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:45 pm to TigerCruise
quote:No.
They recruited people who have had 1 symptom or less in the last 4 weeks, wtf are you talking about.
quote:50% HAD AT LEAST ONE SYMPTOM. Not to mention if you had a reason to believe you were in contact with someone who had it, symptoms or not, than you would be more likely to participate.
about half told the doctors they had had at least one symptom of COVID-19 in the past four weeks.
But if 50% of a sample reported AT LEAST 1 symptom, then if you’re arguing it’s not a biased representation, then 50% of the that population also has to have had at least 1 symptom.
And even adjusting for their case rate that is 10 times the national average, that’s 5% with a symptomatic profile. Do you think 17 million people have those symptoms in a typical month?
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:48 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:New York City has had 100 excess deaths PER DAY (68% above expectation; 247 vs the expected 147 per day) for an entire month EXCLUDING COVID-19 deaths (confirmed and probable combined).
There is no excess is mortality rates.
The Economist is tracking excess deaths globally and it’s a trend all over. And this is despite lockdowns that have limited other common causes of deaths (like car accidents; insurance companies are even giving a rebate as a result).
Covid-19’s death toll appears higher than official figures suggest
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 11:50 pm
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