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re: Coronavirus has now killed more Americans in 1 month than flu killed in entire year

Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32506 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:36 pm to
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I got it
Someone posted this: Santa Clara study and it kind of confirms my questions about what seemed a dubious study.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28738 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:38 pm to
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No dude. Seasonal flu is not 8 f*cking months.
It's all arbitrary.
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It’s a 13 week average according to the CDC. We’ve been logging Corona deaths since January.
Yeah, flu season starts from the "spike" in cases until it calms down. This obviously varies year to year and country to country. If we were marking the "start" of covid season as we do the flu, then there wasn't a "spike" in cases until March.

It's just flat out dishonest to count January as the start of "covid season", while ignoring that we don't consider flu season to have started until after the cases "spike". You're starting covid at case #1, whereas flu season probably starts around case number half a million.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:40 pm to
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confirms my questions about what seemed a dubious study.



The question surrounds how good the antibody assay was, not how rigorous the study design was.

It all comes down to the assay.

As I said, its a fairly straight forward ELISA...

Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:41 pm to
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It's just flat out dishonest to count January as the start of "covid season", while ignoring that we don't consider flu season to have started until after the cases "spike". You're starting covid at case #1, whereas flu season probably starts around case number half a million


Thats not true either.

I was always taught Oct-Mar
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28738 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:41 pm to
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So you're out?
Definitely out of the bet where you're trying to compare 1 season plus 2 offseasons vs half of 3 flu seasons. That counts an extra 50% of flu cases!
Posted by bbeck
Member since Dec 2011
14571 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:41 pm to
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It just kills obese, disease ridden old people. The same people who would be dead within 2 years.

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uppermidwestbama

Never seen a more fitting username tied to a post. Good god what a moron.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48352 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:41 pm to
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Someone posted this: Santa Clara study and it kind of confirms my questions about what seemed a dubious study.



Yes, read that earlier.

Clearly, there is a large percentage of asymptotic infected out there and the adjusted CFR will be much lower than 3-4% but these new antibody tests are going to take some time to sort out.

Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:42 pm to
We already established you don't want to go apples to apples, even with a tenfold cushion, lol
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28738 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:43 pm to
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While limited in scope, if extrapolated nationally, the confirmed case number would exceed 9 MILLION. Not the current reported 700 THOUSAND.

Which dives the mortality rate WAY down (korkstand and buckeye).
Yep, 40k over 9 million works out to right around the 0.5% mortality that I estimate.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30955 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:44 pm to
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Coronavirus has infected, at least, 742,459 people in the United States. That means it has a death rate of over 5%


Words can't even begin to describe how stupid you have to be to believe this.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:44 pm to
#offseason.

Meh. Too predictable.

You don't get to compare 18 months to 6.

And I gave you 10x cushion.

Weak.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:45 pm to
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Yep, 40k over 9 million works out to right around the 0.5% mortality that I estimate.


I also posited that the peak is gone, guess you don't understand that either, Mr. 500k dead
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 7:46 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28738 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:45 pm to
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We already established you don't want to go apples to apples, even with a tenfold cushion, lol
I do want to go apples to apples. You're now trying to go apples to apples + 50% more apples.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
50092 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:46 pm to
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Coronavirus has now killed more Americans in 1 month than flu killed in enti


So, no one does of anything else now?
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:46 pm to
Another Q: death tally US.

Say, this time next year?
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:47 pm to
Just ballpark it.

Humor me.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28738 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:48 pm to
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Thats not true either.

I was always taught Oct-Mar
That's the common rule of thumb. I just now looked up what is more or less an "official" rule of thumb, where they only determine the start of the season after the fact of a spike in cases. I have not found how they define "spike".
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48352 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:48 pm to
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Yep, 40k over 9 million works out to right around the 0.5% mortality that I estimate.


Michael Olsterholm predicted a .6% mortality rate back in February based on the data coming out of Asia and the Diamond Princess.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48352 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:50 pm to
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Another Q: death tally US.

Say, this time next year?



Assuming no vaccine?

110,000-120,000 by December 31st.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:50 pm to
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based on the data coming out of Asia and the Diamond Princess.



Population extrapolation based on sample population. Please examine the sample demographic.
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