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Core GDP growth for 3rd quarter

Posted on 11/3/26 at 6:38 am
Posted by trinidadtiger
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Posted on 11/3/26 at 6:38 am

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Core real GDP (which covers consumer spending, business fixed investment, and home building while excluding volatile areas like government spending, inventories, and net trade) grew at a 4.9% rate, marking its fastest pace in over five years.


This number has been steadily climbing for the past three quarters. Trump was right you know.

Now lets dispel a couple arguments up front.

Its capital investment in AI. Not all of the capital investment is in AI. And what would you suggest the companies spend it on, cutting technology like buggy whips and covered wagons, versus something that will change the world.

Next, credit card debt is at an all time high. No kidding, thats what happens when you let in 20 million people who dont have to worry about it because they will be heading home soon.

The economy is in good shape and getting better every quarter.


Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/3/26 at 7:19 am to
Economy will be getting better and better but too late for the midterms.
Posted by Tigersforthee
Member since Dec 2025
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Posted on 11/3/26 at 7:28 am to
Doesn't matter. The media's convinced the morons that we are in a recession, if not depression, and they are lapping it up and are gonna vote for some of that sweet communist prosperity thats been promised.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/3/26 at 7:29 am to
The Tarriff's can't keep getting away with this.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 11/3/26 at 7:54 am to
quote:

Now lets dispel a couple arguments up front.

Its capital investment in AI. Not all of the capital investment is in AI. And what would you suggest the companies spend it on, cutting technology like buggy whips and covered wagons, versus something that will change the world.

Next, credit card debt is at an all time high. No kidding, thats what happens when you let in 20 million people who dont have to worry about it because they will be heading home soon.


Here are some questions which aren't being asked. In order:

1. What is the definition of "inflation"?

2. What's the ratio for GDP growth to deficit dollars? What was it 10 years ago? What was it 20 years ago? What was it 30 years ago?

3. What percentage of US citizens are on some sort of federal largess program? (including SS, Medicare, etc)

The summary answer for those who don't have the time to look it up is that GDP growth is dependent on high deficit spending, which creates/maintains inflation. Whether folks want to admit it or not, we're running in MMT territory now, except that money isn't being destroyed in an attempt to fight inflation.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
21767 posts
Posted on 11/3/26 at 8:29 am to
Core GDP takes our the increase/decrease in govt spending so it is a year over year comparison of what is happening in our economy and it is growing faster than it has in five years.

Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/3/26 at 8:30 am to
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we're running in MMT territory now, except that money isn't being destroyed in an attempt to fight inflation.


Government spending currency into existence and taxpayers using currency to pay their obligations to the state does sound pretty familiar right now.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
40631 posts
Posted on 11/3/26 at 8:33 am to
If you can't eat it or put it in your car to make it go, people don't know what it is nor do they understand or care.
Posted by Bottom9
Arsenal Til I Die
Member since Jul 2010
25870 posts
Posted on 11/3/26 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Economy will be getting better and better but too late for the midterms.



Look I love Trump.

But let's not get retarded. My wallet and most everyone else's wallets say that the economy isn't getting better. I get it doesn't depend all depend on Trump but that's not how many will see it.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9401 posts
Posted on 11/3/26 at 8:43 am to
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Next, credit card debt is at an all time high. No kidding, thats what happens when you let in 20 million people who dont have to worry about it because they will be heading home soon.


This right here is a talking point that needs correcting. This number includes those of us who pay off the balance every month as well as those who are falling behind. Roughly half of the households included in this “credit card debt is at all time highs” pay their cards off each month. It’s just the credit agencies taking a snapshot at the time of balances.

A better reporting number is 90 day delinquent number, which hover around 12.5%. This number was 8% in 2019 and in 2010-2011 it was in the 13% range.

90 day delinquent numbers have improved a bit in Q2 of 2026.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
85451 posts
Posted on 11/3/26 at 8:45 am to
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My wallet and most everyone else's wallets say that the economy isn't getting better.


I never said it was great at this moment.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 11/3/26 at 9:19 am to
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Core GDP takes our the increase/decrease in govt spending


Yes and no. While Core does specifically remove government spending (G), it's only direct government spending.

The formula is basically GDP = C + I + G + NX
(Consumption + Investment + Government spending + Net eXports)

All Core does is strip out "G". Since that category is only direct spending, not indirect spending, it just obfuscates the problem with deficit spending's impact on Core GDP.

For example, transfer payments (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, welfare, food stamps, etc.) are not counted as government spending (G) when calculating Core. They are treated as income transfers to households (or sometimes to other entities). When recipients spend that money, it shows up as private consumption (C), which is included in Core GDP.

Another example is that government grants, contracts, or funding that flow to NGOs, nonprofits, universities, or private firms can support employment and activity in the private sector. The resulting wages and subsequent spending also feed into consumption (C).

GDP Growth (YoY) to Deficit spending continues to be over $1 : $1 ever since COVID (it really started with the GFC, but it dropped below the break-even point between 2013 and COVID), meaning it takes more than $1 in deficit spending to get $1 in GDP growth.
This post was edited on 11/3/26 at 9:30 am
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