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re: Conservatism doesn’t always equal Christianity
Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:43 pm to BiteMe2020
Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:43 pm to BiteMe2020
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Atheism is the assertion that god does not exist. If you simply have a lack of belief, you're agnostic.
Many atheists dishonestly try to hide their beliefs behind this sort of rubbish. Your response is one of many I've seen that say the same thing, and hide beliefs behind this vague veil of "I'm an atheist, and I don't have any beliefs to defend".
It's BS.
Actually it's not.
A simply means without. Theism means belief in a deity.
Put them together and you get A(without)theism(belief in a deity).
Atheism literally means someone is without belief in a deity. That might be inconvenient for you, but that's what the word means
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:45 pm to Azkiger
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I either think they think there is some sort of objective moral code floating around somewhere out there in the ether, or they think that it's wrong because they think that human society functions much better for everyone when humans are granted control of themselves and their labor.
So "slavery is evil", in modern parlance, could just as easily be a pragmatic statement about how efficient a society is. That's what you're going with.
Have a good one.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:47 pm to Flats
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So "slavery is evil", in modern parlance, could just as easily be a pragmatic statement about how efficient a society is.
Instead of asking me what I meant by "much better" you equated it to "efficiency" then tuck tail and ran.
You're not here for an honest discussion. Good riddance.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:47 pm to Revelator
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On something like immigration, it might be easier for a person on the Left to make a scriptural argument on why they are right
Democrats aren't Christians.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:21 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Well, I've been making this case for years here! I'm an athiest that has ALWAYS found myself primarily on the right. I'd been a registered Republican since 1988 and voted straight line GOP/conservative in every election
Same here.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:24 pm to EA6B
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Same here.
While most atheists are left/progressive, a lot are fiscally conservative and socially moderate.
I watch Crowder almost religiously (lol) and he surprised me a bit when he talked about hiring a company to check into the demographics of his viewers. While he didn't give a percentage, he did say he and his staff were shocked at how many non-religious people viewed his shows.
Shortly after he started closing some of his shows with life lessons that were lowkey centered around Christian values.
I didn't care, props for him for trying. But yea, way more conservative atheists than Christians may think.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 8:02 pm to Revelator
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The Bible says when that time comes, the Holy Sprit will provide the words for us to use.
Has this worked for you over all and, more specifically, did the holy SPIRIT provide them?
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The disciples were beaten and told not to mention Jesus’ name again, but they went right back into the streets to preach as soon as they were released.
And how did this work out for them?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:40 pm to Azkiger
The "slaves" you speak about in Scripture are actually servants who have usually sold themselves to a master to pay a debt, etc. Not like slaves like we had here 160 years ago. I'm sure you probably know that so your premise is wrong.
Under your premise, The North should have left the slaves to their fate. Further, It sounds like you would not advocate for any justice meted to any who infringes upon the rights of another. But God said, "If a man takes a life, his life shall be required of him." He also called for varying measures of violence against criminals in the Law of Moses.
I say David acted in God's will when he killed Goliath. Your position is that Israel should have surrendered to servitude to the Philistines. Every Israelite military struggle was successful ONLY when God was with them. If God was not in it, Israel would be defeated.
Again, the Bible is not a Book of Pacifism.
Under your premise, The North should have left the slaves to their fate. Further, It sounds like you would not advocate for any justice meted to any who infringes upon the rights of another. But God said, "If a man takes a life, his life shall be required of him." He also called for varying measures of violence against criminals in the Law of Moses.
I say David acted in God's will when he killed Goliath. Your position is that Israel should have surrendered to servitude to the Philistines. Every Israelite military struggle was successful ONLY when God was with them. If God was not in it, Israel would be defeated.
Again, the Bible is not a Book of Pacifism.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:16 am to rantfan
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And call yourself a christian
How can you vote for someone who supports the death penalty, and call yourself a Christian.
Or war. Or throwing children in cages and separating them from their parents.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:30 am to Revelator
I'm a conservative and not a Christian. Pretty much completely agnostic but lean Deist. Was raised Christian. Finally had to admit I wasn't one. But you're going to be hard pressed to find somebody more Conservative than me. If that's the definition anymore. I'm about done with pussy Republicans. Absolutely despise communists and atheists and their cowardly liberal avatars.
If I get the choice of Christian neighbors or atheists, I'd pick Christians every time.
If I get the choice of Christian neighbors or atheists, I'd pick Christians every time.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:46 am to Revelator
Maybe socialism was a better term. I’m referring to his teachings. They’re infinitely closer to socialism. And they certainly don’t align with conservative values today. I do not see how you can argue that point.
The main thing conservatives have in common with Jesus is that they both believe in the invisible man in the sky. Jesus was not a conservative. Jesus would cringe at the way conservatives are today.
The main thing conservatives have in common with Jesus is that they both believe in the invisible man in the sky. Jesus was not a conservative. Jesus would cringe at the way conservatives are today.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 5:55 am to FATBOY TIGER
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Has this worked for you over all and, more specifically, did the holy SPIRIT provide them?
It was talking about a specific time in the future when Christians would be handed over to the authorities in the End Times. That hasn’t taken place yet.
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And how did this work out for them?
They got to leave this earth and there sickly bodies and were allowed to live eternally in heaven.
I’d say it worked out well for them.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 5:57 am
Posted on 3/4/21 at 5:57 am to 93and99
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Democrats aren't Christians.
This is a silly generalization
Posted on 3/4/21 at 6:39 am to Revelator
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Conservatism doesn’t always equal Christianity
Certainly the current liberal/progressive movement doesn't either. But I've been thinking about how unbiblical much of what conservatives espouse really is.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 6:52 am to TigerProphet
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But I've been thinking about how unbiblical much of what conservatives espouse really is.
Some of it is, no doubt
Posted on 3/4/21 at 7:34 am to Azkiger
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I've also never heard one preacher explain why the copious amounts of consumerism Christians wallow in in Western Societies is more important that saving souls. Yet look at the state of 21st Christians. Forget the gays, if I were the devil I'd tie up Christians with prosperity.
Working less and not participating in said consumerism would free up more time for preaching the gospel, or busting arse and not participating in said consumerism would free up lots of money to fund others to preach the gospel full time.
What you are saying certainly isn't wrong, but you are taking your argument to an extreme that God never likely intended.
You are essentially alleging that "true" Christians shouldn't care about "secular" jobs to support themselves and their family.
But amongst all the scripture passages that you are quoting in support of your assertion, you are forgetting the most powerful example of all.
Mark 6:3
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Then they scoffed, “He’s just a carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon. And his sisters live right here among us.”
Posted on 3/4/21 at 7:54 am to Revelator
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This is a silly generalization
Low IQ comment.
God doesn't support abortion.
If you defend the retards for voting for the party of abortion, then you aren't a Christian either.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 8:05 am to Azkiger
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Actually it's not.
A simply means without. Theism means belief in a deity.
Put them together and you get A(without)theism(belief in a deity).
Atheism literally means someone is without belief in a deity. That might be inconvenient for you, but that's what the word means
People can never seem to grasp this concept...it gets frustrating. For the record, everyone...including you believers...are agnostic. Jesus lol
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 8:06 am
Posted on 3/4/21 at 8:11 am to Azkiger
quote:But in modern usage, the difference is that (i) an atheist has an affirmative belief that no deity exists and (ii) an agnostic says he has no idea whether deities exist or not.
Atheism literally means someone is without belief in a deity. That might be inconvenient for you, but that's what the word means
There is a distinct possibility that one will proselytize ... the other just does not give a frick.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 8:25 am
Posted on 3/4/21 at 8:23 am to Azkiger
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Actually it's not.
A simply means without. Theism means belief in a deity.
Historically, the "a" in atheist meant "against" not "without" - meaning "against a belief in god or gods". While the prefix "a" has historically either meant "not" "against" or "without" - in the case of "atheist", it means against a belief in god or gods.
It's a copout or a slight of hand attempted by many atheists who don't want to defend a position. And it makes the term "agnostic" difficult to distinguish from "atheist".
"1570s, "godless person, one who denies the existence of a supreme, intelligent being to whom moral obligation is due," from French athéiste (16c.), from Greek atheos "without god, denying the gods; abandoned of the gods; godless, ungodly," from a- "without" (see a- (3)) + theos "a god" (from PIE root *dhes-, forming words for religious concepts)."
Like modern liberals do, by changing the meaning of a word for their own purposes, atheists escape defending their actual belief, which is that "no god or gods exist".
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