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re: Compromise On Gun Legislation.

Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by Swamp Angel
Georgia
Member since Jul 2004
7276 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:38 pm to
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In my view the constitutional rights apply to citizens.


This is the root of your misunderstanding of the Constitution of the United States. The only rights the Constitution bestows upon anyone are the specifically enumerated rights ceded to the Federal Government by the States and the People whose rights these were to begin with, and who may recall those rights ceded to the Federal Government if that government does not legally abide by the restrictions placed upon it.

The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution in order to make it fully clear in certain cases where the founders were absolutely dead-set on preventing government overreach. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments cover any remaining question as to what rights the Federal Government has with the verbiage contained therein.

Other portions of your post indicate that you believe there should be a record of persons above the age of thirty in law enforcement databases. I believe you may have completely skipped over the portion of the Bill of Rights known as the Fourth Amendment, or simply ignored it, in your quest to strip more rights from American citizens and enable our government to become more despotic with no checks in place.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
4723 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:39 pm to
Do yall not understand that criminals don't follow the law?
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
17545 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:39 pm to
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anti-depressants



Depression isn't only about mental health. I take them because if I didn't I wouldn't have the energy to get out of bed some days. I'm not mentally depressed, and I sure as hell aren't going to shoot up a school.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:41 pm to
I bet the loved ones of people murdered by some incel bitch with a 30 round clip would disagree
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:43 pm to
What about all of the parts of the constitution talking about native Americans and slaves?
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13536 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:43 pm to
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-Close loopholes on all commercial sales of guns, this is the manchin-toomey compromise. But the government should also be required to make the background check be performed instantaneously, no 7 days to perform bullshite.



What loopholes? All sales by commercial sellers are already required to do the FBI check.
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-require anyone under 30 purchasing a semi-automatic long gun to go through a state approved or military approved psychiatric check to prove mental stability. The basis of the check should be is the person mentally stable enough to not commit a felony. After 30 there is enough record of the person within law enforcement databases that a person will not commit a felony so the psych check is not required.


frick no. That is an infringment. They can frick right off.

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-Persons on anti-psychotics or anti-depressants cannot purchase a gun.



This is already on the ATF form 4473 (NICS).

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but if there is any merit, what compromises could be made here?


None

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My main point is that the vast majority of mass shootings on innocents are performed by under 30s men who have history of mental health issues.


Sounds like we need more access to mental health facilities. If someone is crazy they should be in a secure facility. If we tell them they cannot have a gun there is no way to make sure they dont get one, except locking their arse up. If they cannot get a gun they can still use a car to drive over people walking down the sidewalk.

Lock up the crazies and leave law abiding citizens alone.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:44 pm to
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But your response is “come and take them” like you’re some badass, instead of having a worthy discussion.
The discussion is documented in the Federalist Papers and is codified in the US Constitution. I desire no additional "worthy discussion" so mind your own business.
Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
2816 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:44 pm to
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the average suburban family now no longer owns a gun.


What is your source for that? I want to read the survey or study because that seems hard to believe.
Posted by Stuckinthe90s
Dallas, TX
Member since Apr 2013
2576 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:44 pm to
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Depression isn't only about mental health. I take them because if I didn't I wouldn't have the energy to get out of bed some days. I'm not mentally depressed, and I sure as hell aren't going to shoot up a school.


I think you could even limit the drugs exceptions to just the profile, under 30.

Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71421 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:45 pm to
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Persons on anti-psychotics or anti-depressants cannot purchase a gun.


Thanks for disqualifying us combat veteran
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2552 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:45 pm to
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I truly think that if the right doesn’t come up with some compromises on gun legislation to start preventing SOME of these shootings
Implying that the right is somehow culpable?

Eat a dick, Karen.
Posted by theRealJesseD
Member since Nov 2021
2879 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:45 pm to
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Depression isn't only about mental health. I take them because if I didn't I wouldn't have the energy to get out of bed some days.


da fuq
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62411 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:46 pm to
Rather die, cause that would be the result, anyway
Posted by hogcard1964
Illinois
Member since Jan 2017
10413 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:46 pm to
No more compromises. This is the reason these mass shootings are happening.

The right now needs to push for armed police in every school, nursing home and all publicly accessable areas throughout the country. Then we need to mandate gun purchases for every law abiding citizen in the country.

More guns=less crime
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted by dstarsntigers
Member since Apr 2022
796 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:47 pm to
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I bet the loved ones of people murdered by some incel bitch with a 30 round clip would disagree


That’s fine. I’m sure all the millions that have been oppressed and killed by governments across the world would agree
Posted by BigB123
Texas
Member since Dec 2018
985 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:48 pm to
Nothing you mentioned is a compromise. It’s giving in. A compromise goes something like this:

The right will give the left universal background check and a 3 day waiting period. In exchange, the left will give up ATF regulation of fully automatic weapons, suppressors and SBR’s.
Posted by Swamp Angel
Georgia
Member since Jul 2004
7276 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:48 pm to
The Constitution was written to describe what “constitutes” the legal, federal government of the United States. It was not written as a code of morality. There is a section that deals specifically with how it may be amended. There have been amendments added over time to address the preservation of liberties. There have also been very detrimental amendments added.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
11051 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:48 pm to
Most of these restrictions are already in place.

NO MORE COMPROMISING WITH THE ENEMY!

Posted by Stuckinthe90s
Dallas, TX
Member since Apr 2013
2576 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:49 pm to
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Other portions of your post indicate that you believe there should be a record of persons above the age of thirty in law enforcement databases. I believe you may have completely skipped over the portion of the Bill of Rights known as the Fourth Amendment, or simply ignored it, in your quest to strip more rights from American citizens and enable our government to become more despotic with no checks in place.


They are, it’s the criminal database that is currently used in background checks to find stop felons from purchasing firearms. I’m not saying there should be a database profile on people to identify if someone might be at risk to commit a felony, just if they have already been found guilty of one. That’s already in place.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21748 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:50 pm to
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I bet the loved ones of people murdered by some incel bitch with a 30 round clip would disagree



Do you think they feel worse than the loved ones of people murdered by Dylan Roof?
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