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re: Comcast hints at plan for paid fast lanes after net neutrality repeal
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:20 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:20 pm to OMLandshark
Change your market. We do everyday.
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:39 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Not for me they haven’t.
Rural? Average U.S. internet speeds have increased by ~60% since the FCC net neutrality ruling in 2015.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:51 pm to bmy
We were offering fiber and 50 down for $40 back in 2013. We’re still offering it. And yes. Rural. As well as into major cities in two states.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:51 pm to kingbob
quote:Are you sure? He puts in an awful lot of time doing it if it's all for shits and giggles.
Cpt. Bengal is not a trump supporter. He is an alter troll for one of the dem posters. He’s a charicature of a conservative used to make them look bad.
quote:Gaucho is so obvious as to not be effective anymore.
Gaucho is a contrarian troll, who posts specifically to take the least popular opinion while doing so in a way to rustle feathers and get people to argue with him.
quote:That explains a lot.
Pretty sure Tigeronthemountain and Shortyrob work for ISP’s.
quote:Laying out the facts and logic on NN, and exposing posters on their games and biases.
kingbob
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:03 am to Korkstand
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Cpt. Bengal is not a trump supporter. He is an alter troll for one of the dem posters. He’s a charicature of a conservative used to make them look bad.
Are you sure?
100% I have it on very good authority.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:04 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:12 am to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:I'd really like to know the name of the ISP and where it operates, but assuming you won't divulge that info...
TigerOnTheMountain
Do you have data caps?
Do you offer TV service?
What is your contention ratio? Do you know what sort of traffic management and shaping policies are in use?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:15 am to kingbob
quote:Well, that makes me feel better I guess, though there are several posters who are almost as extreme as he is. Also I know some people in real life who could tell me they are CptBengal and I'd believe them.
100% I have it on very good authority.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:17 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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We were offering fiber and 50 down for $40 back in 2013. We’re still offering it. And yes. Rural. As well as into major cities in two states.
Not bad. Not what happens in my monopolized area though.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:18 am to DavidTheGnome
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While the company still says it won't block or throttle Internet content, it has dropped its promise about not instituting paid prioritization.
So...nothing will change for the average user, but some companies can pay for faster speeds for their site? Tell me again why this creates an issue?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:19 am to Lakeboy7
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Be the first Patriot on your block to go back to what made America great, dial up!
They can use it to look for coal mine job postings
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:25 am to Korkstand
I’m not willing to share much of that here, but we do not offer TV service(in most areas)and have no data caps. Only internet and power.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:32 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:28 am to bmy
I think so and our customers do as well. I’m looking forward to comcast and other major providers doing the things so many of you propose. Sounds like a new market to me. And for those of you who think we won’t break in, we have before through litigation and a superior service. Believe it or not, I am on your side in many ways.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:29 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:29 am to Korkstand
He’s on the board of Blue Ridge Mountain Electric Membership Corporation
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:31 am to kingbob
Thanks man
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:41 am to The Pirate King
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So...nothing will change for the average user, but some companies can pay for faster speeds for their site? Tell me again why this creates an issue?
Because not throttling is word games, stuff on "sale" at retail stores isn’t really, etc. Websites will go artificially slow, especially from competing sites, until the ISP extracts their rent (even though it’s already paid for, this is the very lucrative "tip"). Because of this new overhead innovation is stifled over time because statup web services simply can’t grease the palms like their competition and the US loses its competitive edge in cyberspace. The largest of ISP's make a killing though because they get to dictate and dominate and extract from a large sector of the US economy.
Not all bad
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:44 am to The Pirate King
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So...nothing will change for the average user, but some companies can pay for faster speeds for their site? Tell me again why this creates an issue?
1) Comcast charges Mom & Pop's Streamflix additional fees to deliver content to consumers at high speeds
2) Mom & Pop now has to raise prices to deliver the same product they were delivering under Net Neutrality rules
3) Comcast begins to offer consumers their competing video service at a dramatically lower rate until Mom & Pop are forced out of the market
4) Rinse and repeat until all competitors (except those you have backroom agreements with to prevent being labeled a monopoly) are no more
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:49 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:47 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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I think so and our customers do as well. I’m looking forward to comcast and other major providers doing the things so many of you propose. Sounds like a new market to me. And for those of you who think we won’t break in, we have before through litigation and a superior service. Believe it or not, I am on your side in many ways.
Believe it or not.. most of the net neutrality people (the vast majority of the population) don't care at all if ISPs aren't subject to FCC regulation. They just want internet traffic to be treated equally.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:50 am to bmy
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1) Comcast charges Mom & Pop Streamflix more to stream at high speeds.
I’m not seeing that anywhere. I see that mom and pop will stay the same speed while Netflix or whoever will be able to pay more to get access to the higher speeds. Thus mom and pop will be the same, but Netflix will be faster. Am I reading this correctly?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:57 am to The Pirate King
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I’m not seeing that anywhere. I see that mom and pop will stay the same speed while Netflix or whoever will be able to pay more to get access to the higher speeds. Thus mom and pop will be the same, but Netflix will be faster. Am I reading this correctly?
Them throttling is exactly the reason we now have NN regulations they are working so hard to repeal. Couple that with the mergers with these content provider mega corps and we are left with a scenario with a very inhibited competitive space. Standard Oil, etc.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:57 am to The Pirate King
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I’m not seeing that anywhere. I see that mom and pop will stay the same speed while Netflix or whoever will be able to pay more to get access to the higher speeds. Thus mom and pop will be the same, but Netflix will be faster. Am I reading this correctly?
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In zero-rating schemes, ISPs offer services that don't count toward users' collective data plans, which could easily give affiliated companies an advantage over outsiders.
"denies unaffiliated third parties the same ability to compete over AT&T's network on reasonable terms." He offered an example: Unaffiliated companies don't receive the same discount on data rates as DirecTV -- which AT&T happens to own -- giving that provider an unfair advantage.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:58 am
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