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re: Comcast hints at plan for paid fast lanes after net neutrality repeal

Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:41 pm to
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:41 pm to
You’re placing your trust in the wrong people. Anti trust is one thing, but it should be addressed as a separate issue. Not masquerading as some equality bullshite. NN is a back door for government control of the content the internet provides.
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

NN is a back door for government control of the content the internet provides.

Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:42 pm to
Mail quit running?
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:43 pm to
Exactly. Right now, we have a well trained, well-fed dog guarding the hen house. These idiots want to give guard duty to the fox which currently has a hen in its mouth while they cry about how untrustworthy the dog is. Dude, the fox ate a hen yesterday! He’s eating one right now while frying an omelette and ordering chik-fil-a for his 21st century friends!

But it hasn’t been! The lack of NN will 100% chance lead to censorship immediately by ISP’s in the form of throttling.

One is a worst case scenario hypothetical. The other is a proven certainty. I think I’ll put my trust in the one who, you know, hasn’t already been convicted of rape over the convicted rapist.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 10:46 pm
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:44 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:45 pm to
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In case you’re wondering, I’m not a liberal. You can check my post history as I’m one of the most constitutional conservatives on this site.


You’re a man of principle, which is largely missing on this board. You think things through, while the typical mouth breather here only lets one thought enter their mind: Does this piss off Liberals/Leftists? If it’s a yes, they’re for it.

I said earlier if Trump was for abortion that they’d support him, but I’m not even sure if that’s far enough. If Trump overturned democracy and put in a monarchy, many on this board would be for it because it drives their enemies insane and anyone on the right against it they’d call cucks and not listen to them.

I’m thoroughly convinced with idiots like ShortyRob, CptBengal, and LSURussian that there is quite literally nothing Trump can do to cross the line with them. They have no principles... on second thought they have one, and it is to suck off the Almighty Troll at all times. I at least hope at one point they were good enough people to be disgusted on who they would be today if I were to show their past selves what they were to become.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:49 pm to



This is why it’s hard to take any of your arguments or points seriously. At some point, it always devolves to this. I’m against NN because I think it will eventually lead to further control by the government. I trust that we, as consumers, will force change IF what you propose happens. There’s no real evidence to say it will, just speculation. I’ll admit that it’s not a far leap to think that a business would attempt to make money by providing a superior product. However, if you look to what currently is happening with cable providers, it’s also not a far leap to expect the same scenario with ISP providers in the future if they attempt to head down a similar road.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:50 pm to
Cpt. Bengal is not a trump supporter. He is an alter troll for one of the dem posters. He’s a charicature of a conservative used to make them look bad.
Gaucho is a contrarian troll, who posts specifically to take the least popular opinion while doing so in a way to rustle feathers and get people to argue with him.

LSURussian is a real poster who is very inconsistent with applying a set philosophy to determine what he’s for and against. One rumor is that his wife sometimes posts on his account, and she has different opinions than him, and is very opinionated on certain issues like St. George.

Pretty sure Tigeronthemountain and Shortyrob work for ISP’s.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:53 pm to
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You’re placing your trust in the wrong people. Anti trust is one thing, but it should be addressed as a separate issue. Not masquerading as some equality bullshite. NN is a back door for government control of the content the internet provides.


And they haven’t done it. You’re not going to get me distracted from my point because I will raise you again with Comcast. A corporation that has proved itself nefarious every single chance it has gotten. It’s like trusting a serial killer to let him go unchained with him promising not to murder again. It’s obvious idiocy to let Comcast make the change and the government should break up many of these companies.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:54 pm to
Ending net neutrality will go down as a bigger regulatory blunder than repealing Glass-Steagall, which seperated investment houses from commercial banks leading to the mortgage crisis.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:55 pm to
I am on the board of a service provider locally. I have a unique perspective. I would never allow what you’re proposing to happen.


Not to our customers, anyway.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 11:04 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:56 pm to
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Mail quit running?


Many companies "strongly" encourage online billing and customer service. Chat instantly or wait 20 minutes to talk to someone on the phone. One of our vendors switched us over to paperless billing recently and I had to call them and switch it back because we prefer having hard copies. I expect eventually you wont have a choice.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:57 pm to
That’s possible unless the collector has no other means of collecting.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:01 pm to
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NN is a back door for government control of the content the internet provides.



By treating all traffic equally?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
109328 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:01 pm to
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I’m against NN because I think it will eventually lead to further control by the government.


No. You think that, but you’re against it because liberals and leftists are against it. You have only thought it through with that in mind.

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I trust that we, as consumers, will force change IF what you propose happens.


Then why does something with a lower approval rating than the IRS continue to exist and a company as big as Google can’t compete in these spaces? Answer me that.

I mean really think what that says if you have that low of an approval rating. It says “yeah sure the IRS fricks me out of tens of thousands of dollars every year, but at least they’re not Comcast.” That takes an exceptional loathing by the general populace. How is a company that hated able to survive on a free market, and don’t bother answering because I’m going to spoil it for you: there isn’t a free market when it comes to this.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67221 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:02 pm to
You wouldn’t, but in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn’t matter. Your little ISP doesn’t control even 2% of the market. Once the big boys go to the a la carte model and throttle all the fringe sites and opinions, it won’t matter that your little ISP stayed true to its principles. Cut off from 90% of the market, those smaller blogs, news sites, message boards, and retailers will fold starved of clicks and ad revenue.

I am sorry, but you really have no power to stop the end of the free exchange of ideas and commerce on the internet once the big ISP’s do what they’ve already told us they’re going to do, what they’ve already been caught doing in the past.

If the FCC stops regulating them, they will destroy what so many have worked so long to create, a truly global i encumbered marketplace of free thought and commerce.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125491 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:06 pm to
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I am on the board of a service provider locally. I have a unique perspective. I would never allow what you’re proposing to happen.


Not to our customers, anyway.




removing NN will hurt smaller ISPs

that and state and local law won't mean anything when it comes to ISPs anymore.
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:08 pm to
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Ending net neutrality will go down as a bigger regulatory blunder than repealing Glass-Steagall, which seperated investment houses from commercial banks leading to the mortgage crisis.
Deregulation is always the answer!!
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:15 pm to
We beat Google. They provide service to a very small area. Through a subsidiary.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 11:16 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
109328 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:18 pm to
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We beat Google. They provide service to a very small area. Through a subsidiary.


And Comcast almost always beats them. What chance do I have as an engineer worth about 750K to compete in this environment? Is the bank going to loan me millions or billions to compete with them?
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