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re: Colorado Trump judge donated to Democrat PAC; claims she wasn't aware of its mission
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:23 am to dafif
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:23 am to dafif
you're right but that won't keep CO SecState Jena Griswald from doing it anyway when (not if) this bench ruling goes the way they want it to
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Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:31 am to Don Quixote
I would remove to fed court
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:34 am to dafif
yes that's clearly where this should be, and Trump tried and was turned down
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:10 am to Don Quixote
Thanks did not see the motion and federal denial. That is weird esp since you can appeal the denial
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:15 am to dafif
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Absent a conviction, a civil court does not have jurisdiction to make that determination
That's a fair interpretation And one I'm sure the GOP attorneys will raise.
However, Jefferson Davis was never convicted of insurrection or treason, and I'm pretty sure he is one of the people Section (3) was intended to bar from office.
Quick note: any interpretation of Section 3 that would allow post Civil War Jefferson Davis to be elected President, is probably wrong.
You can argue Davis clearly engaged in "rebellion" against the United States. But then you have to argue the phrase "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" actually means "convicted of the crime of insurrection, or engaged in activities sufficient to be considered a rebellion."
That's a little awkward. Not saying you're wrong, just saying maybe you should think through your interpretation a little.
And for the people who say "let the voters decide", well, the whole point of Section 3 is to PREVENT the voters from deciding to elect insurrectionists. Congress did not trust the voters in Confederate States. It IS anti-democratic, but it is also a ratified amendment to our Constitution.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:34 am to Don Quixote
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you're right but that won't keep CO SecState Jena Griswald from doing it anyway when (not if) this bench ruling goes the way they want it to
Makes you wonder why they’re even going thru the motions of a trial.
I mean, it’s not like SoS around the country didn’t just unilaterally make up election law in 2020.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:45 am to jatilen
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“I apparently made a $100 contribution to the Colorado Turnout Project. That being said, prior to yesterday, I was not cognizant of this organization or its mission,” Wallace said Monday before denying the motion.
Maybe she was just sick of all the prudes in Colorado?
Turn Out
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 11:20 am to Dday63
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However, Jefferson Davis was never convicted of insurrection
I don't think the insurrection statute was in existence since then but I would argue that if not, the federal statute requires a conviction now
Posted on 10/31/23 at 2:18 pm to dafif
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I don't think the insurrection statute was in existence since then but I would argue that if not, the federal statute requires a conviction now
So, your argument is that passing a statute essentially changed the meaning of the Constitution? Not gonna fly.
But, anyway, the confiscation act of 1862 made insurrection a crime, so the crime of insurrection did exist when the Amendment was passed.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 2:21 pm to Godfather1
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Makes you wonder why they’re even going thru the motions of a trial.
to give it a veneer of legitimacy for the populace that isn't really paying attention
Posted on 10/31/23 at 2:24 pm to jatilen
Must not be a criminal case!
Posted on 10/31/23 at 2:54 pm to BamaScoop
Democrats are Nazis
Posted on 10/31/23 at 3:03 pm to jatilen
Democraps know so little and claim that they know everything.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:49 pm to Dday63
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So, your argument is that passing a statute essentially changed the meaning of the Constitution? Not gonna fly.
I'm glad you are comparing Trump to Jefferson Davis
Takes a special kind of person to try that. "Special". ...
Posted on 11/1/23 at 11:04 am to dafif
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I'm glad you're comparing Trump to Jefferson Davis
Are you really that stupid? I did not make any such comparison. I'm just using an example to consider the proper interpretation of the Constitution
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