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Cohen Didn’t Violate Campaign Finance Laws, and Neither Did Trump

Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:37 pm
Posted by PhDoogan
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:37 pm
Thought this was one of the more compelling pieces regarding the latest on the campaign finance muh.

Couple of takeaways: if FEC doesn't provide clear guidance of hushmoney as a violation, then DOJ has no business trying to prosecute as criminal.

Also, SDNY violated DOJ guidelines in bringing such a claim.

Levin also made a good point the other day: weird venue for campaign finance violations- that shite normally handled by the DC wonks.

IF the Dim House wants to make campaign finance violations an impeachable offence, god bless. Trump will fulfill his promises from the grave and beyond.

LINK
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:39 pm to
Truth

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How can Cohen or anyone else involved in these payments be charged with a “knowing and willful” violation of the law by facilitating these payments when numerous campaign finance lawyers, federal election commissioners, and the Federal Election Commission itself have all publicly opined that such payments do not violate the law in the first place?
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 7:57 pm
Posted by KingOrange
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:40 pm to
Mike Drop
Posted by James1960
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:46 pm to
Cohen was just convicted of Campaign Finance Laws, so I guess the courts disagree. You guys can scream at the sky all you want, it still doesn't change the outcome.
Posted by BobBoucher
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:46 pm to
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, then DOJ has no business trying to prosecute as criminal. Also, SDNY violated DOJ guidelines in bringing such a claim.


This would imply the DOJ is still against Trump, or there’s a rogue element in SDNY.

If this truly is an overreach, then this is the “panic” referenced by Q?
Posted by bradwieser
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:51 pm to
I mean, who gives a shite if Trump paid some whore not to tell everyone he fricked her?
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 7:59 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:51 pm to
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Cohen was just convicted of Campaign Finance Laws, so I guess the courts disagree.


What finder of fact ruled that the elements were met? Hint: there isn’t one.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 7:52 pm
Posted by KingOrange
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:52 pm to
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Cohen convicted of CF Laws


So when does Obama go to jail?
Posted by bradwieser
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:52 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 7:59 pm
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:57 pm to
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Cohen was just convicted of Campaign Finance Laws,


He pled guilty. Not convicted. And of the 3 years amongst all the other clearly non-campaign related shite, how much was allocated to the CF stuff.

Again- knowing violation. Nerds who practice campaign finance violation know that there is nothing clear about these rules. So the Bad Orange Man knew he was conspiring to commit acts that violated FECA even though the FEC has never found that such acts violate FECA?

Trump must have Doc Brown's Delorian and went back in time to play some serious 4-D chess.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 7:59 pm
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:58 pm to
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Cohen was just convicted of Campaign Finance Laws, so I guess the courts disagree. You guys can scream at the sky all you want, it still doesn't change the outcome.


Convicted?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:02 pm to
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Cohen was just convicted of Campaign Finance Laws, so I guess the courts disagree.


Correct me if I am wrong, however, I think Cohen plead guilty to violating Campaign Finance laws but that there was no trial where he was actually found guilty of violating Campaign Finance laws.

Agreeing to plead guilty to a violation of Campaign Finance laws in order to save your arse from going to jail for 30 years doesn't mean Campaign Finance laws were actually proven to be violated.

Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:46 pm to
Cohen admitted to violating them at the direction of Trump of his own free will in open court.

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:52 pm to
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Cohen admitted to violating them at the direction of Trump of his own free will in open court.



Cohen said many contradictory things. Which should we believe!
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:58 pm to
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Cohen admitted to violating them



Say the words and we will make things easy on you.


Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:13 pm to
This is the same type crap they pulled on Corsi, except he is suing Mueller, FBI, and CIA for 300 million, cause they wanted him to lie .....
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:24 pm to
fricking idiot
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:01 pm to
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Cohen was just convicted of Campaign Finance Laws, so I guess the courts disagree. You guys can scream at the sky all you want, it still doesn't change the outcome.


He wasn't convicted, he pled out. And his lawyer was (literally) one of Hillary's best friends (Lanny Davis). Davis fricked Cohen and I think Cohen now realizes that. And a future judge might realize it too and throw the case out. Malpractice by Davis.

Not sure what Cohen was thinking here by pleading, tbh. I guess they had him on other shite like lying to Congress so he decided not to fight the rest of the charges.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:55 pm to
I think the tax evasion stuff is what he was trying to avoid with a guilty plea
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:12 am to
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He wasn't convicted. He plead guilty to avoid other charges that were actually crimes.


Jesus
He was absolutely convicted and sentenced after pleading guilty to 9 charges, 5 of which were for tax evasion
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