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re: CNN – It’s a Conspiracy Theory to Say That America is a Republic and Not a Democracy

Posted on 6/15/24 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
15152 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 2:48 pm to
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Thanks for once again proving why this board desperately needs an ignore feature.


That Slowpro guy is the last frickin' person you people would ignore. You frickers feel empty inside without him. shite, if the motherfricker's not in a thread, you all are evoking his name, trying like hell to speak him into existence. In fact, you dickheads are so goddamn desperate for a nemesis, you still call out to that Aggie Hank fella.

And where's the OP in this shite? He doesn't have this award winning thread without Sloflow. You owe this motherfricker a big fat thank you, OP. Cough that shite up.
Posted by Bunsbert Montcroff
Phoenix AZ / Boise ID
Member since Jan 2008
5552 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 2:49 pm to
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My question is that before the 17th amendment, how would you describe the US system of government?

or before the ratification of the constitution? good question!
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36747 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 3:13 pm to
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or before the ratification of the constitution? good question!



Oh yeah that is a good one.

In the long view, the question of 'democracy' centers on what to do in the absence of an aristocracy, as before, regional interests were represented by landowners, each of which had their own form of governance for their area. Which isn't to say that the aristocrats were not responsive to their subjects, as they often were and the notion that the aristocracy was autocratic might be one from the early modern period.

My view is that 'democratic' systems which rely on direct elections are the best method to deal with the massive populations at hand. That is one of the largest differences between the conception of a direct democracy, in I guess classical terms, and a modern democracy, in which a republic which elects direct representatives to a legislative body or different arms of government, is that there are simply far more people to deal with, and thus more interests to negotiate. That changed within modern times, which makes this 'republic vs democracy' debate as though they are antonyms completely outdated in my view.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
22252 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 3:20 pm to
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No, its' not.


Yes, it is.

It's an election year, progressive outlets are on this topic 23/7.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48448 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 3:35 pm to
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We are both a representative republic and a democratic one.




You guys are terrible with governmental systems.

We are constitutional republic. Not a representative republic or democracy.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
26244 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 3:43 pm to
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SlowFlowPro

America is a Constitutional Republic. Period.

There's no gray area. That's precisely what we are. Our definition is concrete and finite.

To say otherwise is asinine.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
428213 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 3:56 pm to
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America is a Constitutional Republic. Period.

There's no gray area. That's precisely what we are. Our definition is concrete and finite.

To say otherwise is asinine.


I hope you've never voted, then
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
2033 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:24 pm to
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SlowFlowPro


Continues to spout Democrat talking points..

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America is a Constitutional Republic. Period.



SFP... "NO SIR WE ARE NOT!"
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
2033 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:26 pm to
Totally out of his shell now. Look at him.

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Progressives hate truth.


So do Patriots, apparently.



Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
428213 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:30 pm to
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SFP... "NO SIR WE ARE NOT!"


So you've never voted?
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
2033 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:30 pm to
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Democracy denotes a system of citizens voting.

Did our Founders set up a Constitution where citizens voting was a part of that system? If the answer is yes, then we are a democracy.


All systems have voting.. that includes RUSSIA and CHINA. Are they now democracies?




Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
13593 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:32 pm to
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All systems have voting.. that includes RUSSIA and CHINA. Are they now democracies?


That’s (D)ifferent
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
2033 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:32 pm to
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So you've never voted?


Voting does not define the system. Like I said.. China and Russia both vote. Are they democracies now?

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
2033 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:33 pm to
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That’s (D)ifferent


Yeah... This guy has been pretending to be a conservative here for a while. He just keeps exposing his true self!

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
428213 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:33 pm to
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All systems have voting.. that includes RUSSIA and CHINA. Are they now democracies?

They also have representative bodies...are they republics?

This was already addressed multiple times. Totalitarianism warps systems they use labels like Republic and Democratic and vestiges of both to project a reality that doesn't exist.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
428213 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:33 pm to
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Voting does not define the system.

It's literally the defining characteristic of a democracy
This post was edited on 6/15/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
2033 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:39 pm to
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They also have representative bodies...are they republics?




Bless you democratic heart man. Just friggin funny!

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This was already addressed multiple times. Totalitarianism warps systems they use labels like Republic and Democratic and vestiges of both to project a reality that doesn't exist.


Sir... We are a Constitutional Republic and within the frame work of a Constitutional Republic there are voting rights.

In a Constitutional Republic, the CONSTITUTION is the law and sets up the rules. A Constitutional Republic means that it is one in which, rather than directly governing, the people select some of their members to temporarily serve in political office; the constitutional part means that both the citizens and their governing officials are bound to follow the rules established in that Constitution.

You are more than wrong.

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
2033 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:40 pm to
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It's literally the defining characteristic of a democracy


It literally is not. The devil is in the how people vote... Thus Russia votes but is not a democracy.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
428213 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:42 pm to
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We are a Constitutional Republic and within the frame work of a Constitutional Republic there are voting rights.

So we're a democratic constitutional Republic. Thanks.

You forgot federal, FYI.


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A Constitutional Republic means that it is one in which, rather than directly governing, the people select some of their members to temporarily serve in political office;

And if the people vote to select those representatives, then it's a democracy.
This post was edited on 6/15/24 at 4:44 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
428213 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:44 pm to
Time to re-post basic civics about our government

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Constitutional (A written document creates the limits and procedure of government)
Federal (A national and smaller segments of governing)
Democratic (Citizens are allowed to participate in the governmental process via voting)
Republic (Representatives are chosen, via voting and appointment, to represent citizens)
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