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re: CMV: "Red Flag Laws" are a complete non-starter

Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:26 pm to
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sugarbuzz
Thank your for the in-depth psychological analysis. I will file it exactly where it deserves.
Posted by sugarbuzz
Badstreet USA
Member since May 2022
377 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:26 pm to
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And you assume that the elected District Judge (with whom you attend Rotary every Wednesday at noon and church services every Sunday morning) is a "bad actor." I don't.


Given your delusional nature, why in the HELL would anyone consider a character reference from you a good thing?
Posted by sugarbuzz
Badstreet USA
Member since May 2022
377 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:28 pm to
Yes, like most Narcissists, you will file it away.

You are textbook.

From what little I know of you, it is sound advice and you should consider it, Mr. Locke.
Posted by 850SaintsGator
Pensacola
Member since Sep 2021
2236 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:42 pm to
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sugarbuzz



You seem to have a grasp on narcissism…you also besmirched the Hank Aggie person for not being a trump supporter

Just wondering, do you think Trump is a narcissist?
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
768 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:49 pm to
No one us saying there is no safeguard. Some may be arguing that the safeguard should not be constitutional ( and they are getting insulted for not being a Supreme Court scholar for daring to have an opinion on the Constitution). What I am saying is that the safeguards are nowhere near as robust as they are for similar deprivations of liberty. Just as one example in MA, you have a statutory due process right to a hearing three days after involuntary commitment. For ERPOs, it’s 10 days. The same will be true on other procedural safeguards both statutorily and executively on reviews of orders

Regardless of what a court may allow, good policy requires good safeguards—not token or minimal implementations of safeguards because of the cost of policing snd enforcement
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 1:59 pm
Posted by sugarbuzz
Badstreet USA
Member since May 2022
377 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:52 pm to
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You seem to have a grasp on narcissism


Yep, was in an abusive relationship with one for many years which is why i don't care for them. Narcissists of the male persuasion are often misogynistic and abusive.

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Just wondering, do you think Trump is a narcissist?


Much more likely than not,the only difference is that Trump did many great things for this country, while Mr. Locke is just a frustrated little person who spends way too much of his supposed valuable time on an Internet forum he professes to hate.

My guess is he wants to be a big duck in a little pond and somehow gets his ya-ya's by bullying people via one of his many alters.
Posted by SleepyJoe
Member since Apr 2022
451 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:53 pm to
Red flag laws would likely cause more problems. The individuals would fly under the radar if they knew they could be red flagged. And where do red flags stop? White Nationalism is the biggest threat to the US supposedly, sound like those guys should be red flagged.

And you don't fix the problem by making it harder to get a firearm legally. Individuals who shoot up schools don't mind breaking the law.

What happens if Ramos knew he couldn't ever get a firearm legally? He would likely acquire one illegally and accidentally get a weapon that's a lot more deadly than a semi auto 223.

Well trained security at all schools. We easily have the resources.

Posted by sugarbuzz
Badstreet USA
Member since May 2022
377 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:55 pm to
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good policy requires good safeguards


It also requires honorable people acting in good faith.

The Judicial system has been hijacked by activists.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21748 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:57 pm to
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I never said anything remotely what you have accused me of…i don’t think anyone likes school shootings



You, just a page or so back:
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It’ll be interesting to know why you think mass school killing is perfectly acceptable and nothing needs to be done to solve that issue
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
768 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:58 pm to
I can’t speak for Sugar, but complainants (which in some implementations aren’t just LEOs) and bureaucrats that will use a law that offers thin procedural protections to advance policy, do qualify as bad actors. Jurists are largely going to be uninformed actors, particularly on the TRO; snd will be frightened to deny them

Even trained psychologists aren’t informing patients of a potential loss of constitutional right based on commitments at a disturbing rate. See LINK
Posted by 850SaintsGator
Pensacola
Member since Sep 2021
2236 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:36 pm to
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Flats



quote:

I never said anything remotely what you have accused me of…i don’t think anyone likes school shootings You, just a page or so back: quote: It’ll be interesting to know why you think mass school killing is perfectly acceptable and nothing needs to be done to solve that issue



Ok- good catch!

I’ll clarify-

The person said that i believed if someone didn’t like my solution then they supported school shootings/ i don’t believe nor have ever said that.

I did say they last part but that was to someone ese saying - that nothing needed to be done - that person thinks all is fine and no need to do anything…but yeah good catch
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10438 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:51 pm to
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t's pretty cut and dry to me.
I've seen enough of the bad stuff to realize there's a difference between forgetting to fill up their water bowl in the morning to the stuff I've seen.



You get it.

Sadly those in government do not
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