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re: Clarification about South African Land Distribution
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:12 pm to volod
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:12 pm to volod
quote:
white people have clashed with black people over land ever since white settlers arrived in South Africa.
I would like to know more on the black civilizations the Dutch settlers over took when they arrived.?
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:14 pm to bamafan1001
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Blacks will probably be worse off in a few years than they ever were under Apartheid.
The land reform program is a miserable failure - just like the lottery is in redistributing wealth. You give vast assets (and responsibilities) to untrained people. And the result is that crop production has decreased by ~80%. Unemployment has skyrocketed in those rural communities because there’s not a good commercial farm to hire the workers.
Some new landowners (the majority) don’t even farm their own land.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:18 pm to volod
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Do you honestly just want to reinstall the Apartheid. It wasn't any less discriminatory. It was basically 1960s US only 100x worse for blacks
But that's exactly what you're installing. Only this will be 100 times worse. You need to get some objectivity quickly.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:19 pm to LSURussian
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What? Are you saying the blacks failed at farming because they don't know how to farm? Well......DUH
Have they ever had rights or access to learn how?
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hat is the actual problem? Is it the white farmers are too successful at farming?
We dont mind that they are good at farming. Would they have kept farming when the ANC was in power?
You know, the farmers being a minority would have no real political party in a new SA. They could always be the target of higher taxation. They probably would leave anyway.
The real impression I get is that now that the white class no longer has political power and has gained most of wealth out of the area at the expense of the natives, They are leaving.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:19 pm to bencoleman
He has bailed on his thread.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:20 pm to volod
You don’t want a solution. Other than to blame whites without actually outright saying I blame whites, while expecting whites(white Americans)to pay for the inevitable failures of SA and the blacks that live there.
How’s this for a solution? America quits sending millions upon millions to SA with the understanding that the government there has five years to accomplish their goals. If the goals aren’t reached, all mineral and land rights become the property of the us government as reparation for the millions upon millions of tax payer dollars wasted. All white land owners with proof of previous ownership are returned their land. SA becomes an organized incorporated territory of the United States.
Deal?
How’s this for a solution? America quits sending millions upon millions to SA with the understanding that the government there has five years to accomplish their goals. If the goals aren’t reached, all mineral and land rights become the property of the us government as reparation for the millions upon millions of tax payer dollars wasted. All white land owners with proof of previous ownership are returned their land. SA becomes an organized incorporated territory of the United States.
Deal?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:30 pm to volod
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The real impression I get is that now that the white class is getting raped and murdered, They are leaving.
FIFY
Crime is the number one reason emigrants cite for leaving. The number of Indians and Blacks that would like to leave South Africa has also jumped. Don’t let that destroy your nonsensical narrative.
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A recent survey by FutureFact, a polling organisation, found that the desire to emigrate is pretty even across races: last year, 42% of Coloured (mixed-race) South Africans, 38% of blacks and 30% of those of Indian descent were thinking of leaving, compared with 41% of whites. This is a big leap from 2000, when the numbers were 12%, 18%, 26% and 22% respectively. But it is the whites, by and large, who have the money, skills, contacts and sometimes passports they need to start a life outside—and who leave the bigger skills and tax gap behind.
LINK
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:31 pm to volod
I like how liberals use term "distribution"
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:33 pm to bencoleman
Perhaps I wasn't clear.
If I had my way apartheid would have ended and resulted in what we have in the US. Civil rights would be given. Provide educational opportunities to the natives they never had access to before.
I wouldn't discriminate against the white farmers or anybody white.
I would implement programs like free college for anybody who can prove their ancestry back 2 generations during apartheid.
I have more but that's the general idea. And yes there are sunset clauses on all these taxpayer subsidized programs
If I had my way apartheid would have ended and resulted in what we have in the US. Civil rights would be given. Provide educational opportunities to the natives they never had access to before.
I wouldn't discriminate against the white farmers or anybody white.
I would implement programs like free college for anybody who can prove their ancestry back 2 generations during apartheid.
I have more but that's the general idea. And yes there are sunset clauses on all these taxpayer subsidized programs
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:39 pm to volod
This would probably be a good time to point out that South Africa was not a sovereign nation when the settlers referenced in this article arrived.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 8:59 pm to volod
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when they left, they often sold all their stock and equipment, leaving the new black land owners with nothing, having to start farming from scratch, with no access to capital and limited or no commercial farming experience.
Cry me a river. Why does the white farmer get blamed for the black farmer being inexperienced thats fricking retarded. Also its there shite why cant they sell it? Excuses. Blame game on everyone except who deserves the blame for their own failure. Themselves.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:01 pm to the808bass
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That was written by a moron.
A complete fricking idiot.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:03 pm to DevilDogTiger
I would like to know more on the black civilizations the Dutch settlers over took when they arrived.?
Do some reading about the Boer Wars. Or the previous British-Zulu War. It wasn't the Dutch per se that did the initial conquest.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:04 pm to northshorebamaman
Does the US have to fix this? Do any other countries care? Does SA have to answer to the UN for unfair treatment of their people?
The entire continent of Africa is a shite show.
The entire continent of Africa is a shite show.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:06 pm to volod
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The government should have enforced a policy that made them sell equipment along with land.
You cant be fricking serious. Then what? Force them to teach the idiots how to use it and then force them to teach the idiots how to farm?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:07 pm to volod
quote:Who is "we"?
We dont mind that they are good at farming.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:24 pm to volod
Both of those wars were fought more that a century and a half after settlement.
Tell me how the Blacks and whites were supposedly fighting from the beginning.
Tell me how the Blacks and whites were supposedly fighting from the beginning.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:25 pm to volod
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Onne Vegter, I live in South Africa
If he truly sees the state of the country that way, more power to him.
Hope he doesn't get brutally whacked.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:29 pm to northshorebamaman
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ut weren't most of the people who were actually physically farming the land black?
Guess we will find out over time.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:42 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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How’s this for a solution? America quits sending millions upon millions to SA with the understanding that the government there has five years to accomplish their goals. If the goals aren’t reached, all mineral and land rights become the property of the us government as reparation for the millions upon millions of tax payer dollars wasted. All white land owners with proof of previous ownership are returned their land. SA becomes an organized incorporated territory of the United States.
Deal?
I'd personally accept the deal. My only argument would be the farms be sold to the highest bidder, like a good Capitalist.
And make it ten years instead of five. That way Trump doesn't have to deal with this.
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