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Citizen United is the root cause of current societal decay.

Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:20 pm
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3623 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:20 pm
Citizen United created a loophole that allows foreign interference into US government policies and institutional processes. Through Citizens United, Super PACs were born with no ability to verify or stop foreign funds and foreign influence into US elections and policy debate.

It is the super PACs that fund paid protest that stop free speech in policy debates that are designed for the public to be informed. When those debates are terminated, those same pac paid resources replace the debate with their propaganda to the public.

Now add in NGOs. Many super PACs are also aligned with NGO funded by the government to the point the money is essentially comingled through advocacy actions. Now you have the citizens competing with its own government for a voice at the table.

In the end, the citizens have lost the ability to compete for equal access and the ability to exercise their free speech. The few people that control the super pacs have a insurmountable power over the voice of the citizens. It's not anything close to a fair expression of ideas.

Look at what we know for facts are paid pop up protests. Take the Super PAC money away and tell me if those organized protest are relevant in our politics today. Are those people participating if they are not paid? Is the news media covering those protests if they are not paid protesters showing up and only maybe a handful of people with homemade signs are standing around?

This is not how our policies or elections were ever supposed to be. It's not a coincidence that they are supposed to be FREE elections. The use of high powered sup funded PACs to sow chaos and impede the free flow of ideas from citizens is not FREE.

Prove me wrong.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 12:24 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71806 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:23 pm to
Perfect example of “bad facts make bad law”. Citizens United was the correct decision under the facts, but it had absolutely preposterous consequences when taken to its logical extreme.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
25622 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:23 pm to
You've mistaken a tool for the hand that wields it.

The root cause of whats happened in the west is explained by a group that controls the people who meet in Davos every so often. Davos is just where they go to get told what they have to do in order to remain in upper management.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
12045 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:32 pm to
If only it was illegal to disseminate domestic propaganda ..... oh, that's right, ... Congress overturned Smith-Mundt Act in 2016 under the Kenyan's leadership.

Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3623 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

You've mistaken a tool for the hand that wields it.

The root cause of whats happened in the west is explained by a group that controls the people who meet in Davos every so often. Davos is just where they go to get told what they have to do in order to remain in upper management.


I don't disagree, but without the tool their voice is no more influential than yours or mine.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
84181 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:42 pm to
Letting global corporations consolidate ownership of news outlets is even bigger.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
51620 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
25622 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

I don't disagree, but without the tool their voice is no more influential than yours or mine.


Their voice is the fact that those people control international monetary policy and as a result are able to influence every facet of our lives.

Until they are held to account they will just continue to build and wield new tools until their power is total.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
11568 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:47 pm to
I mean, the lawyers arguing against Citizens United admitted in front of SCOTUS that books could be banned under the statute they were defending.

The problem is the voters. That's who puts the politicians we have in office.

We need poll tests.
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