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China's SI Models Were Built on Nvidia Chips
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:20 pm
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This sounds insane, but I discovered that almost every AI model carries a hidden signature of the GPU that trained it. When a model is first set up, the starting values of its weights are laid out in a pattern that depends on the exact GPU. Each combination of GPU and seed number produces a unique pattern—a sort of fingerprint of the hardware used to create the model. Traces of that pattern survive training into the published model.
Again, this evidence isn’t based on any insider information or leaking. It’s based on a forensic analysis of the model weights released by the companies themselves.
I searched more than six trillion combinations of chip layout and seed number and matched them to open-weights models. In doing so, I found conclusive evidence that six Chinese AI models—including DeepSeek-V4-Pro, Kimi K3, and MiniMax-M3—were initialized on NVIDIA Blackwell systems. Four of the models match Grace Blackwell, the GB200 and GB300 parts in NVIDIA’s flagship liquid-cooled rack-scale systems...
...blah, blah, blah. It goes on. But suffice to say, the Chinese are getting their hardware illegally from the US through Nvidia.
This would mean Nvidia has either been violating US export controls, or Huang's mistress has been engaging in espionage to help the CCP in the SI race. I think the DoJ needs to get to the bottom of this and get it sorted out.
This post was edited on 11/12/26 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:27 pm to BoarEd
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China's SI Models
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:36 pm to BoarEd
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This sounds insane, but I discovered that almost every AI model carries a hidden signature of the GPU that trained it. When a model is first set up, the starting values of its weights are laid out in a pattern that depends on the exact GPU. Each combination of GPU and seed number produces a unique pattern—a sort of fingerprint of the hardware used to create the model. Traces of that pattern survive training into the published model.
China train their models off the current flagship American models, so of course its going to have those fingerprints.
Steal tech, thats what China does.
This post was edited on 11/12/26 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:39 pm to BoarEd
What does Sports Illustrated have to do with Nvidia?
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:41 pm to Azkiger
Right. I think the larger point I was getting at is the importance of the race itself. Of course China is going to steal tech. The US needs to do whatever it can to stop shite like this from happening. Investigations and prosecutions.
Also, they're getting their hands on the actual hardware as well.
Also, they're getting their hands on the actual hardware as well.
This post was edited on 11/12/26 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:43 pm to BoarEd
If they are always stealing tech, does that mean that they will always be slightly behind us?
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:44 pm to BoarEd
We can start by ending Chinese student visas. They’ve pissed in enough of our cokes.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:47 pm to BoarEd
Boar, there is a big story on CBS about this and how Lutnick is under fire due to this happening. I’m reading through it right now.
There’s a bit more. Linked below:
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Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick is under fire by critics asking whether his ties to Chinese companies and friendship with Nvidia's ousted CEO Jensen Huang contributed to the federal agency's lack of oversight over billions in Nvidia AI chip sales, CBS has learned. Before President Trump nominated Lutnick to lead the Commerce Department, Lutnick was the chairman and CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, a New York investment bank which held about $1.2 billion in Nvidia stock at the time. Lutnick developed a warm relationship with Huang, who resigned Thursday as reports of a growing number of affairs caused new uncertainty about the world's dominant AI chipmaker. One of Huang's alleged relationships was with Alice Huang (no relation to Jensen Huang), who is believed by the U.S. to be a Chinese spy. She ran Megaspeed International, a Singapore-based company that became one of Nvidia's biggest customers for AI chips and is suspected of illegally shipping Nvidia's most advanced AI chips to Chinese entities, circumventing a U.S. ban. As commerce secretary, Lutnick took the helm of an agency responsible for policing exports of sensitive technology to adversaries and global rivals.
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One way the Commerce Department keeps this information and technology out of the hands of China and other adversaries is by putting foreign companies and individuals on its Entity List. This restricts their ability to access U.S. technology products, and inclusion on the list means that the department believes there's a risk that the entity is involved in activities that are contrary to U.S. national security or foreign policy interests. In 2024, under the Biden administration, the Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security launched an investigation into Nvidia's chip sales to Megaspeed to determine whether they were being redirected to China. But according to The New York Times, the probe was abruptly transferred to the Department of Justice. The Justice Department would not comment about the investigation. The Commerce Department has not added a company to the Entity List since October 2025. Last week, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent confronted Lutnick over the Commerce Department's failure to place Megaspeed on the Entity List, Axios reported.
There’s a bit more. Linked below:
CBS News
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:48 pm to Figgy
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CBS has learned
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:49 pm to Bamafig
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If they are always stealing tech, does that mean that they will always be slightly behind us?
This assumes we never stop building lots of AI data centers and keep pushing the tech.
Which is a hot topic.
Which I wouldn't be surprised to see Chinese money backing.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:50 pm to BoarEd
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Also, they're getting their hands on the actual hardware as well.
Probably. But I wouldn't say that person's findings are definitive.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:53 pm to BoarEd
Stolen tech is national policy for China. It makes up a huge part of their economy.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:55 pm to Azkiger
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Probably.
Nah, they definitely are. Routed through Mongolia, I think it was. I was reading about it earlier. Let me see if I can find it again, but it may be covered in that CBS story Figgy linked above.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:06 pm to Bamafig
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If they are always stealing tech, does that mean that they will always be slightly behind us?
One would think that. But only so long as we don't listen to democrats when they talk about curbing SI development.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:22 pm to Azkiger
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Probably.
So it's like 240,000 Nvidia GPUs that have made it into China through various means. One method they've been using is setting up fake data centers in Malaysia, passing inspections, and then immediately tearing it all down and smuggling it into China.
That's just one method of several they've been using to get the hardware into China. It looks to be about 8 billion dollars worth of hardware they've gotten into China from Nvidia specifically.
Strange that it turns out their CEO been fricking a Chinese spy.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:26 pm to OysterPoBoy
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OysterPoBoy
This guy.
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