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Cheerleader Free Speech Case Puts Liberals in a Bind

Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:35 am
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:35 am
Bloomberg


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Cheerleader” and “Supreme Court” are not concepts you often see juxtaposed. But they are now, as Supreme Court considers the case of Brandi Levy, who was punished by her school for a profane Snapchat post. The facts of Levy’s case, Mahanoy School District v. B.L., are simple. In the spring of 2017, Levy, then 14, tried out for the varsity cheer squad at Mahanoy Area High School, but only managed to make the JV team. She expressed her reaction on Snapchat in a post that read “F--- school f--- softball f--- cheer f--- everything.” (Our version is expurgated; hers was not.) The post went up on a Saturday, reached some 250 of her friends and, like all other posts to the social media platform, disappeared after 24 hours. Nevertheless, a classmate showed a screenshot to her mother, who happened to be one of the cheer coaches. The coaches disciplined Levy by suspending her from the team for a year. She had broken two team rules, they said. One prohibited “foul language” — although only at “games, fundraisers, and other events.” The other said that “there will be no toleration of any negative information regarding cheerleading, cheerleaders, or coaches placed on the internet.” For good measure, the school district said she’d also violated school rules stating that members of teams must “conduct themselves in such a way that the image of the Mahanoy School District would not be tarnished in any manner.” What is most significant legally about Levy’s case is that she was punished for conduct that took place outside of school. In the landmark 1969 case Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District, the Supreme Court held that kids have First Amendment rights in public schools, provided their speech doesn’t disrupt classwork or invade the rights of others. But the Supreme Court has never said whether speech outside of school can be regulated by administrators. Obviously, the stakes are huge — especially in the era of social media, when conversations in school are inextricably intertwined with what happens online outside of school hours. If kids can’t be disciplined for what they say outside of the school, administrators may feel that they have no meaningful control over students and can’t stop bullying or harassment. Yet if schools can discipline students for what they say online, then the public schools, which are arms of the state, could easily become the speech police for everyone who attends U.S. publics, which is the overwhelming majority of kids and teens. The school rules that applied to Levy go pretty far in limiting free expression. Read closely, they might prohibit any meaningful criticism of teams or coaches. And the school is ultimately the judge of which student speech “tarnishes” the school’s image, which would certainly seem to chill many forms of legitimate criticism. In the absence of direct Supreme Court guidance, the lower federal courts have mostly tried to carve out a compromise position: that schools may discipline off-campus speech when it has a “close nexus to the school environment.” Measured by that test, the Mahanoy rules would likely be allowed. But the majority of the panel of U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit that heard the case ruled that the school cannot discipline speech that was off-campus unless it was reasonably interpreted as bearing the imprimatur of the school. That led the school district to seek review by the Supreme Court.



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Where you come down on this case says a lot about your free-speech instincts. The ACLU, which represents Levy, is arguing for near-absolute protection for off-campus speech, because it deeply distrusts the government as the regulator of our communications. Lots of conservative organizations find themselves aligned with the ACLU on this one. In contrast, the Biden administration’s Department of Justice, which filed a friend of the court brief, emphasizes that schools have legal duty to protect students against harassment based on race, sex, sexual orientation and disability. It’s clearly worried that if off-campus speech is out of bounds to school administrators, forbidding illegal discrimination will be a hopeless task. Anti-bullying organizations are taking the side of the school district and the Biden administration. In the not-too-distant past, most liberals favored near absolute free speech, and conservatives tended to support the authority of government to regulate. Today, the tables are turned to a striking degree. Many conservatives now favor near absolute free-speech protection, while liberals want the government to use its power to protect equality. Regardless of the outcome, Levy’s case will set a benchmark for how schools may regulate students’ social media use. From a parent’s perspective, it’s hard to think of many subjects more immediately relevant.


Will be an interesting case with consequential and lasting implications.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:42 am to
Seems pretty easy to me. The school can't "punish" her but the privilege of being a part of a special group within the school can be taken away.

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58049 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:44 am to
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Seems pretty easy to me. The school can't "punish" her but the privilege of being a part of a special group within the school can be taken away.


I’m more concerned about how the SC’s ruling affects all future cases and not just the particulars of this one.
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19215 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:47 am to
There seems to have been Code of Conducts for athletes for many years. I remember having implications way back in 85-89 of actions you did away from the school even while not representing the school.

Actions don't equal speech but they could be lumped together.

This is certainly one to follow.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30851 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:47 am to
I mean I think that's how it should be, and is, for the most part. I know most school teams have a contract or code of conduct they have to sign that is separate from the school.
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
9421 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:49 am to
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"Liberals in a bind"


Similar to unity, coexist.

If the garbage music kids are allowed to listen to is free speech and nothing said equates to hate speech, then the kid can vent without repercussion (other than God and parents). Especially when nothing was directed at a person or the school.



Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27158 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:52 am to
So, no more cancelation for racist post or rants?
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4568 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:53 am to
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The school can't "punish" her but the privilege of being a part of a special group within the school can be taken away.
Is taking away privileges no longer a form of punishment? Asking for my kids.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58049 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:54 am to
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So, no more cancelation for racist post or rants?


Since public schools are an extension of the government, this ruling could have broad reaching implications. I’m pretty sure, it won’t affect the decision making of private entities.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
17564 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:57 am to
Extra curricular activities should be held to higher standards than in school standards. Those activities are optional, there should definitely be boundaries to what you can and can not do and if they're outlined within the school or group's code of conduct standards, corrective action should definitely be allowed.

ETA: If my child did that, there would be no court case. If the school didn't pull her, I would. If you can't act civilized over making JV instead of varsity, you're not gonna be on either.Give the spot to someone that wants to be on JV.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:59 am to
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Extra curricular activities should be held to higher standards than in school standards.


Yes. Anyone on any of the teams at that school who used the F word in conjunction with their description of anything involving the school’s extra-curricular activities should be kicked out of all extra-curricular activities.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67113 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:02 pm to
I'm conflicted on this.

Part of me wants the school to be able to dismiss her from the team for the comments because it seems blatantly disrespectful.

The other part of me wants the school to not be able to use her social media comments against her in the hope that it will lead to corporate HR no longer being able to troll facebook for excuses to fire employees based on political stances.

This is a part where the libertarian in me who wants freedom of association and freedom to hire and fire conflicts with the pragmatist in me who sees that government and corporations are using social media to purge dissidents from society.
Posted by goldenturbo
Member since Jul 2020
764 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:03 pm to
Supreme Court will take a case and hear the evidence about a cheerleader and won't take a case and hear evidence about election fraud....clowns
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19496 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:03 pm to
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There seems to have been Code of Conducts for athletes for many years. I remember having implications way back in 85-89 of actions you did away from the school even while not representing the school.


You're correct. Problem isn't the policy, rather the individuals within the school who determine what exactly constitutes an athlete being punished.

Three years ago, a former player of mine was getting ready for his junior year of baseball. The kid (white) comes from a great family. He's an excellent student, works hard and has always been a very good athlete.

Shortly before baseball season was set to begin he went to birthday party for a friend. At some point the mother asked everyone to pose for a photograph. Someone unrolled a large bed sheet and held it up in front of everyone posing for the picture. My baseball player was standing behind the group on the front porch of the home, where he had been standing for several minutes. He had no way of seeing what was written on the sheet.

Within hours of the photograph being posted to social media, all hell broke loose. Written in large letters on the bed sheet was "The Real N***ers House! It was taken from a line of a popular hip hop song at the time. Standing in the background of that photograph, wearing his school issued baseball cap was my player.

Within 48 hours, the "athletic council" had convened and suspended him from any athletics for a year.

He appealed the School Board where he claimed that he had no idea what had been written on the sheet and wasn't even posing for the photograph. It didn't matter.

In the photograph there were several other athletes wearing caps or shirts with the school logo. They were also suspended for a year, but most of them transferred to other schools. My player waited it out, missed his junior year (where he would have been the starting short stop) and then missed his senior year due to covid.

Someone has to use a little common sense, and that should always be the adults looking at these cases.
Posted by Stuckinthe90s
Dallas, TX
Member since Apr 2013
2576 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:11 pm to
Honestly this one should not have gone to the courts. this is going to court because two sides would not come together and find an acceptable solution. Being kicked off the team for the year seems excessive (however we don't know if this girl has had other disciplinary issues.) What ever happened to you have 5 after school 30 minute towel pushing sessions and then you can rejoin the team. The girl was frustrated and took it out on snapchat. I feel like there are probably some better ways to teach a lesson than kicking someone off a team for having a bad attitude. I am personally not a fan of zero-tolerance rules like the one found in the code of conduct here. If you can't listen to the context that a incident took place in, then you have no business being an administrator.

As far as the courts, I can't believe this SCOTUS picked this one up. Monitoring online behavior outside of school is a herculean task and one in which the schools should not be required, nor barred from. Seems like something they wouldnt want to create this level of precedence on. I will be interested to see how this one comes out, I am sure that the courts will trying to narrow the scope as much as possible, even as a conservative, I don't see this being purely a free speech issue, there should be some ramifications for what you say if it is uncivil.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50527 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:14 pm to
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In the not-too-distant past, most liberals favored near absolute free speech, and conservatives tended to support the authority of government to regulate.


Never has this been the case.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112497 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:15 pm to
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the privilege of being a part of a special group within the school can be taken away.


True. You don't have the right to be on a HS team. That's why obese girls can't be cheerleaders. And no girls can be on the chess team.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64743 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:23 pm to
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Supreme Court will take a case and hear the evidence about a cheerleader and won't take a case and hear evidence about election fraud....clowns



Freedom of speech regulation is a pretty damn important and pervasive issue right now in this country. Her being a cheerleader is irrelevant
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:23 pm to
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There seems to have been Code of Conducts for athletes for many years.


Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
22943 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:26 pm to
Not going to lie, kind of pisses me off that they have time to hear this case about a girl who Instagramed something but didn't have the time to hear any election fraud cases.
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