re: Chauvin Verdict reached...GUILTY - ALL COUNTS

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complied by getting in the squad car, he'd still be alive.

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Would he though?

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What time do the riots start?

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Swing and a miss

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Yeah, for Chauvin, had Floyd been white, he more than likely still be employed with the Minneapolis police.

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LINK

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For Floyd, had he not been using counterfeit 20's that day, complied by getting in the squad car, he'd still be alive.

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Is it really that hard to say Chauvin fricked up and not fit to be an officer

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Now, does it matter a single shite that you ARE a dickhead tOSU fan in those circumstances as to the question of whether or not you received a fair trial?

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Morally? Probably. Legally? Probably not. Considering there are so many cases out there with a far greater moral and legal justifications for appeal (straight up fraudulent evidence, that the police and/or prosecutors ignored or allowed) in cases where the evidence is far more flimsy even with it, I would say that you're not going to get an appeal for the things you listed.

And in those cases, we're talking about people who were likely outright innocent, not even in the vicinity of the crime, who are going to spend their lives in prison and/or even executed because it's so hard to convince the courts to overturn a decision, even when it's obvious.

In this case, the issue is maybe 2nd degree murder is wrong, but not so much the 3rd degree murder (which they were trying to plead, but apparently Bill Barr intervened), let alone manslaughter. Hopefully, the sentencing will take into consideration those disagreements, but either way, you're not going to get an appeal because the jury may have gone a degree to far in the conviction, not that he should have been convicted at all.

And like I said, if they were trying to plead to 3rd degree murder, I suspect they were concerned that there was a good case for 2nd degree, so it's not like this was some outrageous decision overall.

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They deliberated less than ten hours for a trail that took weeks to present the evidence.

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And it's often the case that trials are shorter because there is very little actual evidence to present to even establish that the person on trial actually was even present for the crime, and the prosecution can just phone it in, despite that, and still get a conviction.

And in this case, there wasn't a question about the facts of what happened (because it was all on video) or even whether there Chauvin was responsible for Floyd's death, and a lot of pointless testimony from both the prosecution and the defense, or at least the testimony was just to move the needle towards and away from the various charges.

So in this case really the only major issue was whether it met 2nd degree murder or not, whereas manslaughter and 3rd degree were pretty low standards for conviction in this case, and there wasn't like in many trials, there was no real questions about the what, where, when, and how, just the why.

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The jurors all live in the area and are afraid the mob will come after them if they do anything other than convict on all charges.

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Maybe, but this is pure speculation. At the same time, the mob is pretty strong on the other side, and when it comes to police, a lot of times that mob is the one with a lot of power and ability to make one's life miserable, especially with the toxic union mentality.

Regardless, they may have felt more pressure to convict on all charges, but at the same time, that doesn't mean it wasn't the decision they would have made anyways without the pressure, and/or whether it's the "right" decision.

If Chauvin was willing to plead to 3rd degree murder, then they probably were concerned that they could a conviction for 2nd degree, so it's not like it's some outrageous conviction, and at the very least, 3rd degree and manslaughter convictions are not really much in question, just the 2nd degree.

I don’t see the depraved mind anywhere in this case.

I understand the murder 2 conviction and the way Minnesota sentences, it doesn’t seem relevant anyway, but murder 3 seems like a stretch.

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people, regardless their profession, are expected to use common sense. using common sense here it would let anyone know an out of breath fat man on his gut, handcuffed behind his back, can't get up.

so, i'd never have the chance to scream negligence.

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Apparently you never saw the part where he fought off the same 3 cops who were trying to put him in the back of the cop car.

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Apparently you never saw the part where he fought off the same 3 cops who were trying to put him in the back of the cop car.

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He was mostly, if not completely in the back of the car, and Chauvin pulled him out onto the ground, which was not only unnecessary it was counter-productive, and eventually led to his death. In fact, that was one of the major reasons it was so bad was that it wasn’t like they were fighting and rolling on the ground. Instead Floyd was almost completely in the vehicle before Chauvin pulled him out and put him in the ground. It was idiotic, even if Floyd didn’t die.

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He still would have died, with the exact same COD.

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What? Both autopsies, even the one most favorable to Chauvin, determined that Chauvin’s actions directly contributed to the death, and the differences were the precise biological mechanisms and whether other factors contributed or not.

So it’s highly unlikely Floyd would have died that day, but it’s an absolute certainty that the cause of death would have been different.