re: Charlie masterfully lays out proof that we were founded as a Christian nation

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There is a distinction they wanted men of faith to be involved

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Certainly!
They even expected it.

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They wanted that faith to guide their judgments that's clear in the founding documents

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Are you sure?

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Are you sure?

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yes

and if you understood logic you would know that you've already answered your own question

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred

OK smart guy then who is the Supreme Judge of the world ?

Whether they individually believed or not they wrote the Declaration of Independence to say to the world, dare I say declared to the world of their intentions and the moral reasoning behind their right to do so


so you do your research and come back to me and tell me who they were referring to by the phrase

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supreme judge of the world

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because remember you disputed whether they even referred to Christ/God in the Declaration

now you are debating whether they were deists or methodists

Just admit you're the one who needs to do research instead of trying to deflect and change the discussion

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Is this the 9 of the 13 colonies you had to make a declaration of faith that many of the original colonies were founded as religious societies

Multiple mentions of God in the Declaration of Independence a mention of Jesus Christ

Again it's why I say that many of you aren't really conservatives because you don't understand the underlying foundations of this country i'm glad that Charlie Kirks death brought it your attention but you should have learned that middle school

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Owlie I know you have to post through a straw but I’ve read this multiple times and can’t figure out what you’re saying.

In nine of the original 13 colonies you had to make a declaration that you were a Christian to serve in government so in order to be representatives in the Continental Congress in nine of the thirteen colonies you had to swear an oath that you believed in Jesus Christ as the son of God


The Declaration of Independence it's kind of a big deal they mentioned God/ Christ in the document several times


And so in an ongoing argument on this board with me many of you who swear that you're conservatives in conservative in reference to American conservatives. Who by definition are believers in the foundation of our government in church in law and order in tradition that's what makes someone a conservative

So an American conservative, then by definition, if not a Christian, at least must hold the faith and its role in government in high regard


Does that help

Yeah that’s better

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The Declaration of Independence it's kind of a big deal they mentioned God/ Christ in the document several times

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There is absolutely NOT ONE mention of Jesus Christ in the DOI, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution or in ANY other founding federal document.

You’re ignorant and a deist’s “God” holds the same position as Allah to a Muslim or Zeus to a pagan…none of them acknowledge Jesus Christ as God.

Do you ascribe to the term Judeo-Christian as well? Another made up term that has less validity than Christian-Muslim (at least the Koran acknowledges Jesus and Mary as holy while the Jewish Talmud teaches Christ was the bastard son of a whore).

There is a reason Christ and the Apostles taught we are saved through Jesus Christ and His name is Holy…the founders were smart men…they knew they were denying Christ as God by not writing out His name.

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And you still have not answered my simple question who were they referring to as the supreme judge of the world

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Are you messing with me or are you missing brain cells?

I told you more than once, Jefferson was referring to a Deist god as the Supreme Judge. PERIOD.

Deists’ believe god is a supreme, intelligent creator of the universe who does not intervene in its affairs or human lives after its creation. Kind of create it and let it spin.

Do you believe pagans worship Christ as God when they’re saying they believe in a supreme judge? Could be Zeus, could be Apollo, could be Shiva, etc.to a pagan.