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re: Central Incorporation vs. St George (EBR)

Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:27 am to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37695 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:27 am to
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BR subsidizes police protection in SG. This is a fact.


Nope. Baton Rouge pays the sheriff and receives services from the sheriff.

St George, however, DOES subsidize the city of Baton Rouge police to the tune of 1/5th of their budget. The city of st George does not receive patrols nor help from the Baton Rouge city police.

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You are going to have to be able to separate out the various services that EBRSO provides or else just shut up and let the adults do the talking.


The sheriffs have have jurisdiction over the ENTIRE parish.

Pray tell. What parish is the city of Baton Rouge in?
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7040 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:29 am to
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Not at all. CITY police are to be paid, in full, by the CITY they patrol. I’m not sure how you find that to be a weird view.


yet you expect people from the rest of the parish to subsidize the EBRSO patrols in St. George. Hypocrisy noted.

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By all means, let’s continue the decades old pattern of the middle class fleeing the parish for ascension and Livingston instead of trying to keep them in the parish.


Do you really think a move that every regional economic development agency and many business leaders have said will be detrimental to attracting and retaining business to the region will help that?

You think this will slow people leaving the parish. I think it will exacerbate people leaving the metro region and the state in general. What's good for St. George might be good for St. George, but what is bad for Baton Rouge is bad for the entire metro region.

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Oh, am I too brash for you? Get over it cupcake. If you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. I’ve yet to say anything but hard hitting facts. Sorry your feelings get hurt.


Look chief, you can carry on however you want. I think it is cute when you internet tough guys hide behind your keyboards typing shite you wouldn't say to someone's face.

Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37695 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:29 am to
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Yeah, because BR is subsidizing it.


You keep saying this but I’m not sure you quite understand what it means....

True or false.

The city of Baton Rouge pays the east Baton Rouge sheriffs office.

True or false.

The city of Baton Rouge receives services from the east Baton Rouge parish sheriffs office.

I await your answers to this simple 2 question pop quiz.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37695 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:31 am to
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yet you expect people from the rest of the parish to subsidize the EBRSO patrols in St. George. Hypocrisy noted.


Nope.

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Do you really think a move that every regional economic development agency and many business leaders have said will be detrimental to attracting and retaining business to the region will help that?


Do I think the city of Baton Rouge is lying their arse off to keep their cash cow?

Absolutely.

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You think this will slow people leaving the parish. I think it will exacerbate people leaving the metro region and the state in general. What's good for St. George might be good for St. George, but what is bad for Baton Rouge is bad for the entire metro region.

It’ll absolutely help stem the outflow of the parish. I’m sorry that you can’t see that.

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Look chief, you can carry on however you want. I think it is cute when you internet tough guys hide behind your keyboards typing shite you wouldn't say to someone's face.


You don’t know me very well. I’ll say to your face that you’re a fricking idiot.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:31 am to
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I don’t think BR is subsidizing SG as much as SG is subsidizing BR though.
Agree

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I don’t know how much BR pays EBRSO to protect SG. We would need to see a breakdown of how money is allocated within the EBRSO budget.


Good luck with that! Sheriff budgets are quite opaque.

That said, I doubt it is as much as you think. The sheriff does have offices in the city. Remember criminal patrol is smaller part of what they do compared to the BRPD. They have a whole civil division for taxes. On the criminal side they also run the parish prison.

Remember the sheriff is elected parishwide. I am sure he isn't going to write off a huge voter based in the city by ignoring them.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41751 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:32 am to
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Surely you do not believe that police protection will only cost $4m?


A police chief and police dept. won’t cost 4 million dollars.

EBRSO will continue their patrols. The four million is to supplement their patrol efforts.
We will continue to pay property tax to the Sheriff as we do now. That and the four million should be plenty of money to maintain services.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53076 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:32 am to
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You think this will slow people leaving the parish. I think it will exacerbate people leaving the metro region and the state in general.

How can it get worse?
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:35 am to
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ENTIRE parish.


Yes they do but, according to their own spokesperson, their primary focus is police protection in unincorporated areas.

Is SG going to be incorporated?

If you’re an indication of how rabidly obtuse SG supporters are then it should be an absolute bloodbath as MOP works her way through your flawed positions.

Unfortunately, Central will be in the blast radius.

Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53076 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:37 am to
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Unfortunately, Central will be in the blast radius.

So you live in Central but are opposed to St George? That's an interesting position
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41751 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:38 am to
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Good luck with that! Sheriff budgets are quite opaque.

That said, I doubt it is as much as you think. The sheriff does have offices in the city. Remember criminal patrol is smaller part of what they do compared to the BRPD. They have a whole civil division for taxes. On the criminal side they also run the parish prison.

Remember the sheriff is elected parishwide. I am sure he isn't going to write off a huge voter based in the city by ignoring them.


Yes, it’s not like you can find an accounting of what the sheriff spends on patrols.

They have one HQ at the airport in the city limits and substations in Scotlandville and at L’auberge that are also inside the city limits.

There is one substation in SG located on Airline and Barringer.

Three other substations are in unincorporated EBR, and one is in Central.



Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37695 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:38 am to
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Yes they do but, according to their own spokesperson, their primary focus is police protection in unincorporated areas.


And the patrols are a tiny portion of what the sheriff dept handles. Surely you know that, right?

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Is SG going to be incorporated?


Yep. And they’ll be paying 4 million extra for some more patrols that benefit the entire parish. Also, as you wel know, st George isn’t the crime filled shite hole that Baton Rouge is, so the cost of policing is quite less.
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you’re an indication of how rabidly obtuse SG supporters are then it should be an absolute bloodbath as MOP works her way through your flawed positions.


I’d love to sit across the table from that decrepit corpse. I’d give her the verbal fricking she hasn’t had since prohibition.

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Unfortunately, Central will be in the blast radius.


You’ll be completely unaffected, pleb.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37695 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:39 am to
I see you refused my simple pop quiz.

Quite telling to be honest.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7040 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:40 am to
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How can it get worse?


Baton Rouge isn't an attractive market now, and higher taxes are looming. That won't help. I think the longterm of all this is the metro region looks more like Metro Detroit than Metro Houston.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465830 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:41 am to
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there’s a failure, mentally, to separate police protection from all the other services that EBRSO provides.

why are you bringing up EBRSO when I asked about BRPD?

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It’s naive to believe BR will let it go.

well BR is acting like a petulant child, so of course they will do whatever they can to rip off the SG area in perpetuity

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They will demand that police protection in SG and Central not come out of general funds to the EBRSO.

that's silly considering those are parish taxes and BR benefits from EBRSO as well (likely moreso given all the services of EBRSO)
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37695 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:41 am to
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higher taxes are looming. That won't help.


When was the last time the city of Baton Rouge went 5 years without raising taxes?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103117 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:44 am to
1694-1699?
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:45 am to
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So you live in Central but are opposed to St George? That's an interesting position


Yes. I would love for SG to become a utopia. However, I’m looking at this logically to predict what the next moves will be and this is what my position is based on. Both sides have been incredibly short-sighted. It’s like watching two people fight at Sonic. Nobody really wins.

I like EBRSO and don’t want Central PD to turn into DSPD.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:47 am to
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And the patrols are a tiny portion of what the sheriff dept handles. Surely you know that, right?


No, I don’t, and neither do you. EBRSO budget is opaque.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37695 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:48 am to
Still waiting on you to finish my easy 2 question pop quiz. Why won’t you take it?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103117 posts
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:49 am to
I just find this whole argument by BR supporters laughable.

“Oh, that $20m is in the general fund, St George isn’t paying that!” St George gets NO dedicated funds, so it all goes in the general fund. BRPD and BRFD get a percentage by statute before St George sees dollar one.

“St George receives services from BRPD... if they are in BR when it happens.” And I can get services from Atlanta while in Atlanta but my city isn’t paying $20m annually for that “right.”

“BR is subsidizing EBRSO!” By a LOT less than StG is subsidizing BRPD. I bet that if StG ate the current costs of EBRSO patrols in BR in exchange for paying $0 into the General Fund to be raided by BRPD, StG could probably end up with a net gain of $16m.
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