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re: Can we all agree that Hillary and Obama betrayed our country with the uranium deal?

Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by texashorn
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:02 pm to
Ok thanks. So you don't think it left the country.

You also think the Clintons or other seedy characters wouldn't be willing to buy off or subvert the regulatory process?

That is a special kind of stupid.
Posted by culsutiger
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:06 pm to
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Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:06 pm to
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You know that no uranium left the country right?


If it was purely a financial deal, why was a sample of it shown to the Russians? Does anyone know who delivered the sample and how this was done??
Posted by culsutiger
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:07 pm to
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Posted by austintigerdad
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:07 pm to
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Does anyone know who delivered the sample and how this was done??
I bet Seth Rich knew.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:09 pm to
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I bet Seth Rich knew.


So, unlike the murder of Seth Rich, your belief is that this never happened?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:10 pm to
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Do you know where the uranium ended up?

It doesn’t matter
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:31 pm to
Russian control over 20 percent of US Uranium is the problem, whether or not the Uranium left the US (and we're relying on the Russians to report that honestly).

Because a pure hearted completely uncorruptable band of 9 voted yes to this sale, the Russian government now has a 20 percent say so in what WE DO with our own uranium, a 20 percent say so in whether US Uranium is available to our government as a resource, and a 20 percent say so in how much the Uranium is going to cost. That is risky, if not dangerous because the Russian government could theoretically place our own weaponry arsenal out of our reach, while escalating its own.

The fact that nobody on that Uranium Board whatever its acronym recognized the above risk at the time it unanimously approved selling 20 percent of our Uranium Interests to a company while knowing it was run by the Russian government freaks me out a little. And it freaks me out even assuming Hillary Clinton's hands are completely clean.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:33 pm to
What are the specifics on exporting?

Is it banned completely, banned to certain countries, categorized by enrichment level?

Actually asking not trolling. Trying to research it now



According to worldstopexports? the US is the 3rd largest exporter of Uranium, $483mil in 2016.
Not sure the different stipulations though, as I've read they don't allow exports from U1H US facilities. I don't enough to speculate on loopholes, but there could be.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 5:59 pm
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:47 pm to
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You do realize that it's illegal to export uranium, and none if it has ever left the USA, right?


First, you have no f*cking clue if any has ever left the US.

Second, you and your ilk do realize that it is ILLEGAL to cross the border and enter this country without permission but y'all don't seem to give a royal f*ck about that, do you? In fact, legality doesn't mean sh!t to Democraps unless they're trying to frame a Conservative.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:54 pm to
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Russian control over 20 percent of US Uranium is the problem, whether or not the Uranium left the US (and we're relying on the Russians to report that honestly).

Because a pure hearted completely uncorruptable band of 9 voted yes to this sale, the Russian government now has a 20 percent say so in what WE DO with our own uranium, a 20 percent say so in whether US Uranium is available to our government as a resource, and a 20 percent say so in how much the Uranium is going to cost. That is risky, if not dangerous because the Russian government could theoretically place our own weaponry arsenal out of our reach, while escalating its own.

The fact that nobody on that Uranium Board whatever its acronym recognized the above risk at the time it unanimously approved selling 20 percent of our Uranium Interests to a company while knowing it was run by the Russian government freaks me out a little. And it freaks me out even assuming Hillary Clinton's hands are completely clean.



20 percent of US uranium production capacity(today only about 11% of actual uranium production) where 90% of our uranium used is imported already. Primarily for nuclear energy. But none of the US government's actual uranium stockpile made its way to Russia. Or is now controlled by Russia to do as it pleases. Nor has any of the uranium mined at those sites been exported to Russia.

The deal occurred when the Toronto based company had a 51% stake of their company purchased by a Russian company. The company has mines and land leases in America for uranium purposes. And incredibly small(and shrinking) chunk of their operations portfolio. The only reason the US touched this is because the US by law has set up a review board that reviews the national security implications of foreign investments in American based operations.



This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 5:56 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 5:56 pm to
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Second, you and your ilk do realize that it is ILLEGAL to cross the border and enter this country without permission but y'all don't seem to give a royal f*ck about that, do you? In fact, legality doesn't mean sh!t to Democraps unless they're trying to frame a Conservative.


This is a good melt in a thread about the particulars of the Uranium One deal. I like where this is heading.
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:00 pm to
I’ll say this:

You can’t knowingly sell 1/5 of the the Uranium on US soil to a Russian entity one minute and then in the next minute pearl clutch about the inherent evil of the Russians.

That undeniable fact alone shows how full of shite Hillary is.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 6:01 pm
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:03 pm to
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Why don’t you explain how they did first


Rosatom, the Russian company who purchased Uranium One, was under FBI investigation here in the United States before the Uranium One deal was approved. Apparently for bribes, extortion, etc. This is fact.

Robert Mueller was head of the FBI at this time. His boss would have been head of the DOJ AG Eric Holder. Holder was on the CFIUS board. Holder should have known of the FBI investigation into Rosatom. Also he should have informed all the members of the CFIUS board of that Rosatom was being investigated. "If" the CFIUS board was informed of the Rosatom investigation you can/could have serious doubts that the deal goes through.

Senator Chuck Grassley is now investigating this. One of the big questions is...did Mueller tell Holder of the Rosatom investigation? Then if Holder knew did he in turn tell the CFIUS board? It would have been a dereliction of duty for Holder not to tell the CFIUS board of the investigation into Rosatom. That is the huge crime, IMO.

I find it amazing that this deal magically went through. I don't get it.

During this same time I remember the Dubai Ports deal where a UAE firm wanted to buy a controlling interest into portions of several US sea ports. This deal was nixed because Congress had concerns about weapons of mass destruction being smuggled in. I have the same concerns here giving Russians control of uranium mines on our own soil. It would be easier for the Russians to just build a weapon "here" instead of trying to somehow smuggle one in. The sale of uranium to them on our own soil has huge national security concerns and should never have been approved period.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted by Cruiserhog
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:03 pm to
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And if you think it wasn't a betrayal, explain your position


Two things, your title is fn stupid.

It was a mineral rights deal nothing more. Rosatom wanted the Canadian company because they held rights to properties in Siberia that Rosatom had long been after.

The Uranium mined here in the states cannot be used for weapons and has to stay here in the states. Neither Rosatom or Uranium One had license to export the material.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:16 pm to
I love the "Can we all agree" threads.

Throw their horse shite right back at them.
Posted by culsutiger
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:19 pm to
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Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37072 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:23 pm to
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Can we all agree that Hillary and Obama betrayed our country with the uranium deal?
If it was such a big deal, how come we never purchased the mineral rights ourselves?
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:23 pm to
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I’ll say this:

You can’t knowingly sell 1/5 of the the Uranium on US soil to a Russian entity one minute and then in the next minute pearl clutch about the inherent evil of the Russians.

That undeniable fact alone shows how full of shite Hillary is.



Again, this is a business sale where a Canadian company had a 51% stake bought by a Russian company. That company has a small part of their portfolio in Wyoming based uranium mines that constitute less than 11% of actual US production supply, but a very small fraction of their businesses interests. Where the US developed uranium can not legally travel to Russia. If evidence of that happening did occur, the Trump administration and congress would be on solid ground to take action.

America the country did not sell them anything. Only reviewed the sale because by law we have set up a review for any foreign investments that come into contact with American operations that have national security implications.

This also is not a material in short supply. There is more than enough current uranium to run all of the worlds nuclear needs for 100's of years. The world is awash in uranium.

It is also not difficult to reconcile that Russia can both be a hostile country that has interests that work counter to our own, have done things they should be condemned for, and that the context of this specific deal is not some major national security crisis. If anything the Fox News crowd that has been downplaying Russia's nefariousness and now catastrophizig over this Canadian-Russian deal that the US reviewed, needs much more explaining. Though the easy explanation is it is an easy political football to try and use Rovian tactics to shift public focus away from the recent developments in the Russia investigations by Mueller and rally a base that loves hating Hillary.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 6:31 pm
Posted by DaBike
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 6:27 pm to
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