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Can the President pardon someone for a felony?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:34 pm
If so, what is the big deal with this tweet thing? Just saw clip of Adam Shyster Schiff say that Trump was obstructing justice if he knew Flynn lied to FBI then asked Comey to go easy on Flynn. Can't the POTUS pardon something like that and if so, what would be the difference in asking FBI to go easy?
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:37 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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Can't the POTUS pardon something like that and if so, what would be the difference in asking FBI to go easy?
That's the point some of us have been making from the jump. POTUS cannot, by definition, obstruct justice since he has absolute pardon power.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:37 pm to Cali 4 LSU
I think the fact that Trump has let the charade go on for this long means he knows exactly where the investigation is headed. He could have pardoned Flynn and fired Mueller, but he hasn't. Why?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:38 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Yes. The elder Bush did it to stop a long drawn out investigation. I imagine the media would implode if Trump did what Bush did.
In fact if Trump did the exact same thing the Elder Bush did (Totally Legal), I honestly believe Keith Olberman would have a scanners style stroke live on TV.
In fact if Trump did the exact same thing the Elder Bush did (Totally Legal), I honestly believe Keith Olberman would have a scanners style stroke live on TV.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:43 pm to Engineer22
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I think the fact that Trump has let the charade go on for this long means he knows exactly where the investigation is headed. He could have pardoned Flynn and fired Mueller, but he hasn't. Why?
Probably because democrats would fall further into the "we lost the election abyss" & "scream at the sky" even louder for impeachment. Hell, even republicans (who can't be trusted either) have said it would be detrimental for Trump to fire Mueller.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:45 pm to Engineer22
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he knows exactly where the investigation is headed.
fricking brilliant
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:48 pm to Cali 4 LSU
I disagree. If Trump weren't in control, I highly doubt by now with the crap Congress and the media have given him he cares about the consequences.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:49 pm to Engineer22
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He could have pardoned Flynn and fired Mueller, but he hasn't. Why?
Because for the 10 trillionth time, the only person who can fire Mueller as written in the statute that covers special counsels is the AG, or the deputy AG if the Ag recuses himself. By law, Trump does not have the legal authority to fire Muller.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:50 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Ya'll do know that the President can fire the FBI director for anything and tell him not to do whatever he feels like, right? He can not be accused of obstructing justice when he performs duties under his constitutional authority.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:51 pm to Cali 4 LSU
even himself
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:53 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Really I thought Nixon fired his.
Quick Google search also reveals he can. Not much POTUS cannot do.
Quick Google search also reveals he can. Not much POTUS cannot do.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:54 pm to TigerMyth36
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Yes. The elder Bush did it to stop a long drawn out investigation. I imagine the media would implode if Trump did what Bush did. In fact if Trump did the exact same thing the Elder Bush did (Totally Legal), I honestly believe Keith Olberman would have a scanners style stroke live on TV.
Dear Lord.... THIS is a helluva lot worse than what Trump is accused of. GEEZ!
ETA relevant quotes by Bush:
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"it was time for the country to move on."
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Bush also described the pardons as a response to "a profoundly troubling development in the political and legal climate of our country: the criminalization of policy differences. These differences should be addressed in the political arena, without the Damocles sword of criminality hanging over the heads of the combatants."
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:59 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Because for the 10 trillionth time, the only person who can fire Mueller as written in the statute that covers special counsels is the AG, or the deputy AG if the Ag recuses himself. By law, Trump does not have the legal authority to fire Muller.
The person that wrote the law you are citing says it is possible for Trump to fire Muller himself.
Neal Katyal, a professor of national security law at Georgetown University, wrote in a piece for the Washington Post on May 19: “Trump could order the special-counsel regulations repealed and then fire Mueller himself.”
Katyal said he would know, because back in 1999, he was tapped by then-Attorney General Janet Reno to head an internal working group on the issue of special counsel — and he helped write the regulations now being cited by Rosenstein.
“The rules provide only so much protection: Congress, Trump and the Justice Department still have the power to stymie (or even terminate) Mueller’s inquiry,” Katyal wrote.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:01 pm to TigerMyth36
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honestly believe Keith Olberman would have a scanners style stroke live on TV.
I would watch that.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:01 pm to Engineer22
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I disagree. If Trump weren't in control, I highly doubt by now with the crap Congress and the media have given him he cares about the consequences.
OK, so answer your question:
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...he knows exactly where the investigation is headed. He could have pardoned Flynn and fired Mueller, but he hasn't. Why?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:06 pm to Cali 4 LSU
I'm not privy to that information. I also didn't think 11/8/16 would turn out like it did. My point... Trump and his people are much smarter than people give him credit for and much smarter than the Dems, establishment, and the media. They will all realize it when it's too late.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:07 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Yeah he can, but good fricking luck with the press and Congress not destroying your arse on it. Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich. If he pardons someone like Flynn at this point in his Presidency, then he will be impeached and kicked out of office. It’s a virtual certainty.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:10 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Because for the 10 trillionth time, the only person who can fire Mueller as written in the statute that covers special counsels is the AG, or the deputy AG if the Ag recuses himself. By law, Trump does not have the legal authority to fire Muller.
So Trump couldn't order the acting AG to fire Mueller? Of course he could. If they don't, he fires them until one does. Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:11 pm to Cali 4 LSU
I also believe Trump has a 60+% disapproval rating. Not really
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:11 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Bet he does not pardon Pete stroker
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