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re: Can the President pardon someone for a felony?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:30 pm to rooster108bm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:30 pm to rooster108bm
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If that statute takes away a power the President is given by the Constitution it is not worth the paper it's printed on. Cfpb should ring a bell
Tell that to the courts. The special counsel does not serve at the pleasure of the president. There are set guidlines for hiring and firing SC’s. and who holds such power. The Saturday night massacre which Terry posted left out a key element of the firing of the Watergate sc. Nixon did not fire the SC. The acting ag did after the Ag refused to fire the special counsel as Nixon had demanded. The matter went to court and it was ruled the firing was illegal because the sc had not violated any of the statute. Simply put, the president does not have the authority to fire the special counsel. Period end of story.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 8:38 pm
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:33 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
The Court declares that Archibald Cox, appointed Watergate Special Prosecutor pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 0.37 (1973), was illegally discharged from that office.
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110 Ordered and Decreed that: (1) Plaintiff's motion for leave to file an Amended Complaint and add additional plaintiffs is granted. (2) Plaintiff's motion for preliminary injunction is denied, and the trial of the action on the merits is advanced and consolidated with the hearing on said motion. (3) Mr. Ralph Nader is dismissed as plaintiff for lack of standing. (4) All injunctions prayed for in the Amended Complaint are denied. (5) The Court declares that Archibald Cox, appointed Watergate Special Prosecutor pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 0.37 (1973), was illegally discharged from that office.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:35 pm to JuiceTerry
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That's a pretty awful approach to crime and punishment and I'd be willing to bet you'd only apply it to people who share your political leanings
Well...
1. I don't have the same political leanings as Flynn so...
2. The left has proven "crime & punishment" is determined by political leanings.
3. Furthermore, the left has drifted away from the rule of law in general soooooo:
I want some of that approach.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:45 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Nothing but crickets in here now. Gotta admit that it feels pretty good to shoot holes in a phony narrative and then take a flame thrower to it with actual case law.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:50 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Really I thought this whole argument ended on page 2. Trump can get rid of Mueller if he wants.
Was Cox reappointed and the case reopened after he was fired... no
Was Cox reappointed and the case reopened after he was fired... no
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:50 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Nothing but crickets in here now. Gotta admit that it feels pretty good to shoot holes in a phony narrative and then take a flame thrower to it with actual case law.
Tell us Blizzard, did Mr Cox get replaced or get his job back. And you are correct about selling it to the court, that's what Mr Mueller would have to do after being fired. He would have to go to court to prove he was ILLEGALLY fired.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:52 pm to rooster108bm
With all of the Clinton cronies Mueller has hired. Trump has plenty of cause to can him.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:52 pm to rooster108bm
If i win in court against my employer for being illegally fired does that mean my employer can longer fire anyone?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:53 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:I guess if you think "the left" is doin it right
Well...
1. I don't have the same political leanings as Flynn so...
2. The left has proven "crime & punishment" is determined by political leanings.
3. Furthermore, the left has drifted away from the rule of law in general soooooo:
I want some of that approach.
And Chiz, the crickets are because everybody is tired of telling you the truth and you just playing dumb, brah
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:54 pm to Engineer22
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Was Cox reappointed and the case reopened after he was fired... no
Cox had already gone back to a private sector job, and a new sc had been appointed by the time of the verdict. Trump simply can’t start firing ag’s until one fires Muller as Terry had argued. This was ruled illegal by the courts. Only the Ag can fire Muller and only if he violates the statute. The Trump will fire Muller narrative is not based in fact or reality.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:59 pm to JuiceTerry
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And Chiz, the crickets are because everybody is tired of telling you the truth and you just playing dumb, brah
Sit down and keep quiet. You lost the argument. I beat your arse with stautes and case law. You have no rebuttle but to cry well if Trump really really wants him gone, he will make him gone. No, no he won’t. Sorry you can’t grasp the concept of legal authority.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:00 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Dude you're locked into some BS technicality when the answer has been staring you in the face.
Prior case law on this stage is a very grey area. Good that there is some I guess. Does it mean much probably not.
Prior case law on this stage is a very grey area. Good that there is some I guess. Does it mean much probably not.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:00 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Bilzz you do realize that Cox was appointed using SPECIAL ONE TIME REGULATIONS?
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:09 pm to rooster108bm
So how’s he gonna fire Muller? You guys are all convinced he can and will, so tell me how he does it? Give me a staute. Give me some case law. Saturday night massacre 2? Cant go that route. Court ruled it illegal. Gonna do it himself? What statute gives him legal authority?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:10 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
28 CFR 600.7 is not a statute. It is a regulation and does not have the same force of a statute in the US Code.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:11 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
OK. Don't take my word for it, just read any of the thousands of articles explaining exactly how Trump could end Mueller. Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:12 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
My argument has been if Mueller was really after Trump, then Trump could fire him and nothing you have posted has convinced me otherwise. The fact that he hasn't is telling.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:13 pm to cajunandy
It is part of the statute that establishes the special counsel and gives him legal authority to conduct an investigation. Please try harder. Im still waiting for a valid argument, not just an emotional because he’s unhinged argument.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:16 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:Not one person has made that argument
not just an emotional because he’s unhinged argument.
How stoned are you?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:17 pm to Engineer22
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My argument has been if Mueller was really after Trump, then Trump could fire him and nothing you have posted has convinced me otherwise. The fact that he hasn't is telling.
And my argument is that if muller is really after Trump, he cant fire him. Ive backed it up multiple times. He doesn’t have the legal authority to fire him, on Rosenstein can. He also can’t fire Rosenstein and appoint someone acting ag just to fire Muller either. Nader v Bork ruled that illegal. Muller must violate a provision of the statute in order to be fired, and only then can Rosenstein fire him. That holds a bit mord weight than what some journalists or pundits want to say.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 9:19 pm
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