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Can some one please link to a front line doctor that says HCQ does not work?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:42 pm
The only voices I've heard that it does not work are CNN, MSNBC, Tony Fauci and a whole host of CV alarmists. If you know of any front line doctors that say HCQ in combination with azythromycin and zinc does not work please link it here.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:44 pm to GumboPot
Muh Russia. Muh Ukraine. Muh HCQ. Muh Dictator in the pipeline.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:45 pm to GumboPot
I will say this, my wife works in a nursing home, has auto immune and is on Hydroxychloroquine and has yet to catch Covid.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:49 pm to GumboPot
what you need is ordinary data.
how many.
ages
sex
prior issue x, y, z
and the bloodwork,and all the measurables.
not, my md said its great.
thats not science. thats an anecdote.
and by the way
side effects.
the objection immediately raised by my know-it-all age 60 and up friends was neurological side effects for years after.
its been used for years.
how many.
ages
sex
prior issue x, y, z
and the bloodwork,and all the measurables.
not, my md said its great.
thats not science. thats an anecdote.
and by the way
side effects.
the objection immediately raised by my know-it-all age 60 and up friends was neurological side effects for years after.
its been used for years.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:51 pm to CelticDog
Lots of science has proven HCQ is very effective. The lowest number I've seen reported was 92% and that was on old fat people in a nursing home.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:53 pm to GumboPot
quote:
The lowest number I've seen reported was 92%
link for the op.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:53 pm to CelticDog
quote:
the objection immediately raised by my know-it-all age 60 and up friends was neurological side effects for years after.
its been used for years.
I know. People are taking it (400 mg/day) for decades for autoimmune diseases with no side effects.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:54 pm to shoelessjoe
quote:
I will say this, my wife works in a nursing home, has auto immune and is on Hydroxychloroquine and has yet to catch Covid
ANECDOTAL!
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:55 pm to CelticDog
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:56 pm to shoelessjoe
quote:
I will say this, my wife works in a nursing home, has auto immune and is on Hydroxychloroquine and has yet to catch Covid.
She have Rheumatoid Arthritis?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:14 pm to GumboPot
I am on a physician’s forum from all over the world but it is private so I can’t link it. Unfortunately, docs aren’t blown away with it. It sucks because we wish it was the magic bullet we are hoping for. No, all the docs aren’t in cahoots to get some kickback from another medicine.
Recent trial showed no significant help
“45.8% of patients receiving treatment within 24 hours of presenting at the emergency department and 85.9% within 48 hours. “
LINK
Recent trial showed no significant help
“45.8% of patients receiving treatment within 24 hours of presenting at the emergency department and 85.9% within 48 hours. “
LINK
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:27 pm to CelticDog
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objection immediately raised by my know-it-all age 60 and up friends was neurological side effects for years after.
Are they talking about Vietnam vets who ate it like candy for months on end or someone who took it for 2 weeks?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:34 pm to GumboPot
The algorithm for COVID treatment at UMC New Orleans
I can’t speak for the ED folks who have prescribed it for early infection, but I have not seen it be useful in the ICU setting where I am currently, nor have my colleagues in Nola had much success. For the months of March and April, plaquenil and azithromycin were used regularly in ICU setting.
For the record, the intensivists at UMC have had great success in treating COVID.
I can’t speak for the ED folks who have prescribed it for early infection, but I have not seen it be useful in the ICU setting where I am currently, nor have my colleagues in Nola had much success. For the months of March and April, plaquenil and azithromycin were used regularly in ICU setting.
For the record, the intensivists at UMC have had great success in treating COVID.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:02 am to DavidStHubbins
Can’t watch the video now but what are the main things they are attributing the success too?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:46 am to tigerskin
They are using evidence from a multitude of studies regarding ARDS. First, they delay intubation with other means of oxygenation for longer than we usually do with things like BIPAP and high flow nasal cannula. The remaining items are for after intubation, and they include use of tidal volume based on ideal body weight, high PEEP, early use of prone positioning, steroids in those who have other comorbidities responsive to steroids (eg COPD), diuresis for patients not in shock, and then once through the bulk of the storm, getting the patient off sedation and testing their respiratory status via spontaneous breathing trials.
The video was published about a month ago, but I do know that UMC’s COVID related census is pretty low at the moment compared to what it was in early April. We’ll still be keeping a cautious eye for any re-spike as people start going back to normal lives and the time to presentation from infection seems to be pretty variable.
One thing I’d like to relay to the layman’s perspective regarding this is that ARDS is a syndrome that can be caused by many things, not just COVID. Before COVID, ARDS was very difficult thing to treat, and in fact some of the treatments are controversial. I had been skeptical from the get-go regarding using plaquenil in the ICU setting. The key would be to figure out if it actually successfully prevents worsening of mild symptoms to severe. Because the variability in time to presentation and variability in intensity of symptoms are so great, it’s hard to conduct a proper prospective study on plaquenil’s effectiveness.
The video was published about a month ago, but I do know that UMC’s COVID related census is pretty low at the moment compared to what it was in early April. We’ll still be keeping a cautious eye for any re-spike as people start going back to normal lives and the time to presentation from infection seems to be pretty variable.
One thing I’d like to relay to the layman’s perspective regarding this is that ARDS is a syndrome that can be caused by many things, not just COVID. Before COVID, ARDS was very difficult thing to treat, and in fact some of the treatments are controversial. I had been skeptical from the get-go regarding using plaquenil in the ICU setting. The key would be to figure out if it actually successfully prevents worsening of mild symptoms to severe. Because the variability in time to presentation and variability in intensity of symptoms are so great, it’s hard to conduct a proper prospective study on plaquenil’s effectiveness.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:49 am to shoelessjoe
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I will say this,
+1...I have a friend who surprisingly caught CV-19, was going downhill with persistent high fever. Took several doses of HCQ & rebounded almost immediately.
“News” Channels have become BS Channels. I’ll always believe what I know happened from honest sources. Media is a joke & agenda driven.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 1:04 am to 2Yutes
It will not work nearly as well in most USA hospitals because most American doctors don't outside the box the DS has trained them to live in.
Multiple studies without zinc. And how much sunlight are these people getting?
Young people get more sun and are not usually as deficient in Vit. D as older patients. This is a significant factor in why older people get more severe cases.
HCQ helps but only as part of a system. If other parts are missing it is like having a gun without bullets.
The simple fact that so many were trying to make people believe the drug was dangerous should tell you something.
Multiple studies without zinc. And how much sunlight are these people getting?
Young people get more sun and are not usually as deficient in Vit. D as older patients. This is a significant factor in why older people get more severe cases.
HCQ helps but only as part of a system. If other parts are missing it is like having a gun without bullets.
The simple fact that so many were trying to make people believe the drug was dangerous should tell you something.
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