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re: Can I get some clarification on the murder of the MN state lawmakers?

Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:23 am to
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49027 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:23 am to
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Note: i didn't say that.

I am arguing he was non-leftist.


From a global perspective (as in how political ideology is defined across the world), he would definitely be considered left.
Posted by PeleofAnalytics
Member since Jun 2021
4782 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:25 am to
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What was the general consensus on his ideology and motive ?


If he was really lockstep with conservative, there would be absolutely zero ambiguity. The media would have made it very clear for weeks and months and provided you with a resume of his conservative beliefs.

He was all over the place so that is why you heard little after the fist week.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49027 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:25 am to
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How is it that all of a sudden people are mentioning MN murders?


To try to counter the truth that has been evolving since around 2016 - the U.S. has a serious problem with leftist political violence.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463720 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:27 am to
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From a global perspective (as in how political ideology is defined across the world), he would definitely be considered left.

I don't think anyone considers theocracy to be left.

"Globalism" (whatever that means) isn't a specifically partisan stance, also.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
45819 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:37 am to
The thread is specifically about this case being used to reenforce the "muh both sides" narrative. Its a false narrative.

CNN straight up called him a "conservative who was strongly against abortion rights", and "an outspoken evangelical Christian"
CNN Aids link
The AP and NYT printed the same things. The case was repeatedly categorized as a "political assassination" targeting democrats. And now, I've seen it referenced all over the socials after the Kirk shooting to blame-shift left-wing violence. This dude was a nutjob frustrated that his party wasn't doing enough. I've even seen the stupid Paul Pelosi case being used to justify this stupid arse "muh both sides" narrative.

If you want to naval gaze about the specifics of the case or his true motivations, start a thread about it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463720 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:43 am to
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This dude was a nutjob f

At the end of the day, they're almost always nutjobs. That's why I said that was the important variable.

Even in the "heat of the moment" with the MN shooter I made sure to make that clear. Those arguments were counter to people confidently saying he was a Leftist, when that was rhetorically weak.

Now this shooter is probably a nutjob but the political motivation will outweigh that, for good reason.

But the church shooter, the guy who killed the DEM pol, and the bus stabber...they were all clearly off the reservation. I argued against arguing any of them were partisan in nature.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
45819 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:47 am to
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that was the important variable.


They all are. It takes a nut to take lives.

But this thread is about blame shifting and the underlying political motivations that drive nut jobs to kill. Using Boetler as a "muh both sides" argument is gravely dishonest.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85031 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:50 am to
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Contrary to popular belief, people appoint people who can do the job.


Kamala Harris and Walz say hello.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463720 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:51 am to
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But this thread is about blame shifting and the underlying political motivations that drive nut jobs to kill.

I know, and I gave an explanation bout the MN shooter

But I also kept my consistent position about not turning these events into partisan moments (again, before people melt, I'm not referencing the Kirk assassination here).

I argued this for days about the trans church shooter. Posted ample evidence he was nuckign futs since like age 11. We also discussed how he was rejecting (or had rejected already) the trans stuff. But people kept trying to turn it into some partisan event. Just like with the MN pol shooter where they tried to shoe-horn him in as Leftist. Or, even worse, the Charlotte guy (who is CLEARLY insane, who thought he had implants telling him what to do).

Now the Tennessee shooting? Yeah that leads to political discussion even if the shooter was insane, b/c the trans ideology was a direct component of the mass murder.

This shooting with Charlie Kirk? Almost no matter how insane the shooter is/was, this is going to be a partisan-political moment. There is no escaping it as it was so senseless, cold-blooded, and CLEARLY politically motivated.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8376 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:51 am to
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Christian Theocracy is espoused on here by MAGA posters somewhat regularly.


Post your evidence. Surely you have it making that kind of statement.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3407 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:55 am to
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But the No Kings flyer thing does raise some questions




Only the shooter knows the answer to that one.

Was he going to leave them behind at the crime scenes?

Did he just like the slogan?

Not much of a flyer, as far as driving people to an event.

Why did he need so many?
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17089 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:55 am to
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Contrary to popular belief, people appoint people who can do the job.


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