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re: Can anyone explain how Trump/Republicans are white supremacists?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 4:44 pm to junkfunky
Posted on 4/26/18 at 4:44 pm to junkfunky
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I would have sworn Byrd served until 2010.
He did indeed. He chose to go "good on race" (a term I heard from my grandfather who was a Republican state party chairman contemporaneous with Nixon's presidency). Byrd voted for the MLK day holiday when some southern Dems still didn't. By the end of his career he was fully in line with the NAACP platform. Other Democrats in the south who stayed harder-line on race chose to jump ship to the Republican party (e.g. Strom Thurmond).
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 4:49 pm
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 4:45 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:yup
And any article about a black conservative will get howls of racist derision from leftists.
go take a look at Tim Scott's twitter replies
or look at some of the nasty shite said about Clarence Thomas (who was FINALLY put into the Smithsonian African-American museum just last September)
Posted on 4/26/18 at 4:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what are your thoughts on FDR?
According to Ward in his monumental A First Class Temperament: The Emergence of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the move had little to do with political convictions: “… as early as his sophomore year at Harvard, Franklin had evidently decided to become a Democrat. His reasoning was crisp and pragmatic. The Republican Party was filled with young members of the family whose claims to the President’s mantle were more plausible than his. Only as Democrat could a Roosevelt from outside Sagamore Hill hope to rise very high – and Franklin Roosevelt would never willingly settle for less.”
Simply put: there were already too many Roosevelts on the other side (TR alone had four sons), and FDR wanted to be the biggest fish in the smaller pond.
LINK
I believe the quote at the time was, "I would've been a Republican, but there was no more room."
Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:30 pm to TigersSEC2010
Trump did not condemn the white supremacists fast enough after Charlottesville. And when he did, he didn’t seem sincere. It’s pretty obvious he hates black people. And when you look at his immigration policies you have to wonder if he hates Mexicans and Muslims as well. And also because he’s never been accused of assaulting a man sexually, and he’s been accused of assaulting several women, he must hate gays too.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:14 pm to TigersSEC2010
I am wondering that myself and I am not even white!
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:18 pm to DelU249
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deadfish is the guy who doxxed me, I see he has a new account
He probably works for the splc, now TigerDoc is for sure a professional antifa activist.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:27 pm to TigerDoc
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He did indeed. He chose to go "good on race" (a term I heard from my grandfather who was a Republican state party chairman contemporaneous with Nixon's presidency). Byrd voted for the MLK day holiday when some southern Dems still didn't. By the end of his career he was fully in line with the NAACP platform. Other Democrats in the south who stayed harder-line on race chose to jump ship to the Republican party (e.g. Strom Thurmond).
Let me hear your take on George Wallace.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:28 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Can anyone explain how Trump/Republicans are white supremacists?
The simple answer is No, they cannot.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:44 pm to DeadFish
quote:Not a race
Muslim
quote:not a race
immigrants
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hostility towards legal, non-white immigrants is far, far greater on the political Right in America than on the political Left in America.
You are a total moron. Various immigration trends from ALL OVER THE WORLD were met with skepticism from American nativists. Eastern Europeans, Irish and and French and Italian Catholics, etc were met with resistance. If it was about race, those people wouldn't have been resisted by native American whites.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:26 pm to DeadFish
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And that proves that racism on the Left is proportional to racism on the Right?
Nope.
Racism on the left is far worse than racism on the right. By several orders of magnitude.
Yes, the right has a racist fringe element. Not difficult to ascertain that.
Racism on the left, however, is mainstream. It's expected. It's rigorously policed. ANY minority who steps out of line is immediately invalidated, excoriated, and ostracized. No matter how much money they have, how much they've overcome, or how much they have to offer in the way of upstanding moral character. Period.
The most vicious, hateful, racist attacks I have ever been subject to have been exclusively at the hands/tongues of leftists. From ostensible friends to sight unseen acquaintances.
Walk in the shoes of a non-leftist minority for 1 month (and be vocal about it), and you'll see true racism in its ugliest modern form.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:27 pm to DeadFish
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the next time you see someone snorting "Robert C. Byrd- DEMOCRAT" and thinking they have scored some point by doing it, as if that makes the Robert Byrd who joined the Klan in any way akin to Liberals of today, remember that there is much, much more to the history.
What a fricktard you are.
You have gone to bat, repeatedly, for a KLANSMAN. Not a rumored klansman, not "ah well maybe he's a little racist," an honest-to-goodness erstwhile member of the most notorious hate group in this country's history.
Then have the unmitigated gall to sit back on your fricking haunches and bloviate about OTHERS being racist?
Go frick yourself, puto. I don't care what political label you do or don't claim--you've represented yourself on this board as a far worse person than the people you purport to stand against.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:06 am to DeadFish
I’m not sure when or why you set out to prove that the Irish aren’t White.
I’m about half Irish and I just thought we were whiskey guzzling Poetic geniuses but thanks to your fabulous research I now know that I am in fact a minority and am, henceforth, going to demand special consideration from my government for myself and all my day-walking homeboys.
ETA - hell I might demand some sort of Reparation for the grit my ancestors were exposed too when they built our first railways
I’m about half Irish and I just thought we were whiskey guzzling Poetic geniuses but thanks to your fabulous research I now know that I am in fact a minority and am, henceforth, going to demand special consideration from my government for myself and all my day-walking homeboys.
ETA - hell I might demand some sort of Reparation for the grit my ancestors were exposed too when they built our first railways
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 12:08 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:09 am to DeadFish
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often when Americans think of "immigrant" they picture a brown, black, or yellow person. They don't as much think of a blonde woman from Norway, now do they?
What. The. frick.
You are a projecting piece of shite.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:11 am to DeadFish
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how have I done that?? By noting Byrd's motivations for joining the Klan?
I don't give a frick what his "motivations" were. frick you for being a klansman apologist.
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Amazing how my simply stating facts and noting history can piss you off royally and cause you to launch into nasty ad hom attack.
You have thin skin if you think I've been nasty with your dumbass.
Play the victim all you want, you racist.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 12:12 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:16 am to DeadFish
quote:Maybe in today's world...but I do not think of immigrants that way.
but often when Americans think of "immigrant" they picture a brown, black, or yellow person.
You continue to build up a huge, nasty, make-believe edifice about the people you disagree with politically. I think there is no point in arguing with someone who doesn't appreciate nuance.
You are exactly who Sowell has in mind when he writes this:
"It is amazing how many people think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them. Using this kind of reasoning, you can believe or not believe anything about anything, without having to bother to deal with facts or logic."
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 12:31 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:43 am to DeadFish
I would hardly describe it as cute - humourous maybe. Incredulous is far more apt.
Your long winded defences of your position start with a clear topic but rapidly about-turn and devolve into a tangential projection of your imaginary antithesis.
Simply stop. We are no more racist than we are deplorable.
Your long winded defences of your position start with a clear topic but rapidly about-turn and devolve into a tangential projection of your imaginary antithesis.
Simply stop. We are no more racist than we are deplorable.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 12:44 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:48 am to DeadFish
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The Klan was highly patriotic, promoted Christian values, championed Liberty and the Constitution
Going to need a the definitions you are using in relation to Christian values and championing liberty and the Constitution. These don’t sound particularly Klan-y to me.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:52 am to DeadFish
I haven’t forgiven your blatant projection.
Eta: But I may when you admit that a similar (and very small) proportion of both Left and Right wing people base their decisions upon race, pseudo-race, or P.J. O’Rourke cartoons from 1976.
Eta: But I may when you admit that a similar (and very small) proportion of both Left and Right wing people base their decisions upon race, pseudo-race, or P.J. O’Rourke cartoons from 1976.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 12:55 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:53 am to TigersSEC2010
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Did you just conveniently forget about Charlottesville?
Oh, you're right, I forgot Trump endorsed it and actively participated.
But but but...President Trump said that "both sides were at fault." RACIST, dammit!
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:04 am to DeadFish
Also ... sorry for the... umm
“mischaracterization”:
“mischaracterization”:
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You are apparently unaware that anti-Irish sentiment ( and anti-Italian sentiment ) was often of a racial nature. The Irish were characterized as sub-human and as an inferior species of human. They were spoken of as being on par with "n*ggers". As "potato n*ggers". As "red n*ggers". At one time some did not consider the Irish as being "white". They were considered an ethnic group. A "race", for all practical purposes:
How the Irish Became White
When the Irish Weren’t White
"Anti-Irish sentiment (or Hibernophobia) may refer to or include racism, oppression, bigotry, persecution, discrimination, hatred or fear of Irish people as an ethnic group or nation." Anti-Irish Sentiment
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