re: Can anyone defend being a libertarian anymore?

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And my position is typically yours. But, there is a lot of pushback on that from the fringe of the people I read

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There is a reason for this, and why the people who create these perceptions also engineered the libertarian to authoritarian (often called "fascist" in popular media) pipeline under MAGA era vol. 1.

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But on some level I think the white nationalist types have a point - that there are probably some very core, basic ideas about safety, about work ethic, about education, etc. that we may share with the white progressive in CA more so than the agreeable black guy down the road.

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Naw.

Culture is beyond race.

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You can pretty much say that about every minority group, because they’ve had institutional backing to strengthen those cultures. The only group of people who are vilified for even discussing racial solidarity are white Europeans. Wonder why that is?

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Eh, yes and no. So first, I think the response you delivered is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not discounting it, I'm just saying it's hard to talk about this stuff on my side of the world because there is a lot of immediate, knee-jerk reaction, rightly or wrongly.

I think black Americans have a more definable culture because they have more shared experience. I don't know that it has all that much to do with institutional backing, unless we're going to talk about oppression as a form of institutional backing, which I don't really want to do.

I do think you can mostly say it about any minority group, because in general minority groups will cluster together and (of their own accord or otherwise) often live in semi-isolation. That's naturally going to bring them in closer alignment on a lot of cultural things.

I do agree it's a double standard that we can't talk about "western culture" or "western values" and celebrating those thing are somehow unacceptable. But I think the majority ethnic groups in a place are always going to have more internal diversity than the individual minority groups, which are less incentivized to break into factions.

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These are very interesting times, and I don’t want to come across as hopeless and negative because it’s the opposite. I’m excited and hyper observant of everything around me, and since I’ve come to this post liberal mindset it actually makes the chaos of the current world make sense and there is peace in that. I just can’t get on board with the salvaging of things how they once were, because no one actually believes in it and those that think they do believe in a bastardized version of it.

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Bro being a radical is fun

Using the word "libertarian" is triggering and you see it in the immediate ad hom responses.

The real meat is the mass of population who identifies as "small government conservative" who also think "libertarians" means this:





While ignoring the (alleged) overlap in ideology.

The 2 biggest variables that seem to be common in rejecting legitimate libertarian ideology are: (1) religious fervor and (2) fear (especially of non-white out groups).

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Culture is downstream from race

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Naw.

MAGA should especially understand this (with their newfound respect for what economic turmoil does to culture now that it's affecting areas they internally associate with traditional/halcyon white Americana).

These white/rural people aren't adopting the pathologies of black-ghetto culture because of race mixing.

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These white/rural people aren't adopting the pathologies of black-ghetto culture because of race mixing.

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My theory on this is verboten on TD

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I never said I wanted an ethnostate.

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I think another poster used that particular word, but your claim was that "are only possible under ethno homogeneous conditions". I don't think that's true, mainly because skin color doesn't define culture. It's a predictor, to be sure, but it's not definitive. The more a culture shares values the more liberty they can afford to have.

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And since you have this idea that shared values multi ethnic society is a good thing,

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I never said that. A shared values society is a good thing; the skin color makeup doesn't matter. Maybe it's all white, black, green, maybe it's a mix. Values are the driver.

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A shared values society is a good thing; the skin color makeup doesn't matter

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I'll take 1 million of these



And trade these in...

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My theory on this is verboten on TD

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It's economic forces.

After a few generations of bad economic choices, the same pathological cultures develop.

That's part of the zeitgeist of MAGA. They're seeing this happen to people they believed to be in their in group and they had a reaction of fear because they couldn't default to the same commentary/criticism they feel free to use against black people.

I had an exchange with the poster Wednesday a few months ago that was more perfect to illustrate this than I could ever imagine.

I used the same language/criticisms of white pathological culture that I have used on here for 15+ years about black pathological culture and she fricking MELTED down, telling me how shitty of a person I was for being so critical of people who couldn't help it. You switch the races and she sounds like cubbies.